Evo VIII MR or new Civic Si?
If you've only gotten 18 mpg over the life of the car, then you obviously need driving lessons when it comes to getting better mileage... you also have 500 whp on your avatar.. what do you expect you're going to get with that much power? There are guys all over this forum who get 300-330 miles on a tank which is about 23-24 mpg.
you must not have an evo. realistic most ppl average 17-19mph with evos.
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I am trading in my 06 IX MR for a black 4door Si Navi. Reasons: Half the monthly payments and insurance, way better mileage and can tow my honda PWC. Granted I will have half the engine torque and half the wheels powering the car now though. Features in the new car like cruise control, a moonroof, Navigation system and XM radio should get me over my loss quickly, I hope.
Have you checked the prices? You can pick up a used VIII in my part of the country with less than 80k miles on it for as low as $17,000. Thats horrible considering the cost of them new, and only being four or five years old. Regardless, how are you coming up with the idea that ANY Mitsubishi has a better resale value than that of ANY Honda or Toyota? It's not happening, man.
Every car is different, but I believe Evolutions will be like DSMs in a few years. They will continue to get modded and beat, crashed and parted out, but the price of them will continue to drop. Eventualy it will get to a point where the price will stabilize, and mabey a few good condition ones will be worth somthing, but thats not saying that Evolutions as a whole will be worth alot of money.
Depends on what car we are talking about. Everyone knows that Integras and Civics handle awesome, but SRT-4s and DSMs don't. You can't just lump all FWD cars into the same catagory, just as you can't with AWD cars. With that kind of reasoning, you can say that a Ford Escape (or whatever those crappy Ford crossover SUVs are) AWD can handle better than an Integra Type R. Negative. But in my opinion, it dosn't take much more than a nice set of tires, coil overs, and mabey a few other bits and pieces to make a car like an Integra or EG Civic handle amazingly. The same stuff that Evo guys do all the time anyhow.
Every car is different, but I believe Evolutions will be like DSMs in a few years. They will continue to get modded and beat, crashed and parted out, but the price of them will continue to drop. Eventualy it will get to a point where the price will stabilize, and mabey a few good condition ones will be worth somthing, but thats not saying that Evolutions as a whole will be worth alot of money.
Depends on what car we are talking about. Everyone knows that Integras and Civics handle awesome, but SRT-4s and DSMs don't. You can't just lump all FWD cars into the same catagory, just as you can't with AWD cars. With that kind of reasoning, you can say that a Ford Escape (or whatever those crappy Ford crossover SUVs are) AWD can handle better than an Integra Type R. Negative. But in my opinion, it dosn't take much more than a nice set of tires, coil overs, and mabey a few other bits and pieces to make a car like an Integra or EG Civic handle amazingly. The same stuff that Evo guys do all the time anyhow.
If I were the kid, i'd go with the honda too because everyone burns Evo's up and people don't know which ones can be trusted, but do you think that most people who owned Supra's, 300zx's or RX-7's didn't burn the hell out of them too? Look at their values.
Hey man it's simple... drive like you want to eat gas and you will... keep the car out of boost and you'll do ok. The point is that because your modded Evo gets crappy mileage doesn't mean that if he keeps his foot out of it most of the time he CAN get 23-25 mpg.
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You said as low as 17,000... how much are the others without picking the cheapest one out there? I also didn't see where I said that their value is higher than a honda... did you? Although the S2000 doesn't seem to be doing to well holding value, but whatever. I also didn't say the VIII's.... I said IX's and again, just wait and watch the values rise on the car... it the last model with the 4G63, it has been one of if not the most raved about Evo models that has been out, many are saying even the X doesn't really compare.
If I were the kid, i'd go with the honda too because everyone burns Evo's up and people don't know which ones can be trusted, but do you think that most people who owned Supra's, 300zx's or RX-7's didn't burn the hell out of them too? Look at their values.
If I were the kid, i'd go with the honda too because everyone burns Evo's up and people don't know which ones can be trusted, but do you think that most people who owned Supra's, 300zx's or RX-7's didn't burn the hell out of them too? Look at their values.
While I do agree with you completely about the Evolution IX, most kids his age (and people in general) could give two ****s about the 4G63 engine, or the car's heritage. They just think it's a "cool all wheel drive car, with a two-liter engine and a turbo!". People like you and I who really know what those cars are about will end up scooping up piles of junk of what once was a awesome Evolution but not too far in the near future for a steal. Rising gas prices and a crappy economy will further aggrivate the resale value of these cars. As it will as the car gets older, and reliability deminishes further and further untill it is no better than a 1g DSM is now.
But all this aside, there are only a few cars that can achieve the level of desireability as the MKIV Supra and FD3S RX7. Both could be had for a song before The Fast and the Furious hit theaters for the first time, and it could be just a coincidence that since then that the price for those cars has skyrocketed, mabey it's not. Regardless, only time will tell if the Evolutions of today become icons of the sport compact world as the FD and the Supra are, but somthing tells me it won't. Not because of the performance reasons, but because of the looks. Both the Supra and the FD's beauty are timeless, and ook good and relavent 10 years ago as they do today. In contrast, take a look at an Evolution V. As sick of a car that is, it looks dated. They can be had for a six pack of Coors and a pack of smokes in Japan.
The MOST I would pay around here for a similar condition Evolution VIII is 22-23,000 dollars. But regardless, I am taking it that he is in the market for a new Si (which retails for about 22-24,000 dollars depending on options) or a USED Evolution for around the same cost. Evolutions IXs are still too new to get down to that price range yet. A few years and that may be an option.
While I do agree with you completely about the Evolution IX, most kids his age (and people in general) could give two ****s about the 4G63 engine, or the car's heritage. They just think it's a "cool all wheel drive car, with a two-liter engine and a turbo!". People like you and I who really know what those cars are about will end up scooping up piles of junk of what once was a awesome Evolution but not too far in the near future for a steal. Rising gas prices and a crappy economy will further aggrivate the resale value of these cars. As it will as the car gets older, and reliability deminishes further and further untill it is no better than a 1g DSM is now.
But all this aside, there are only a few cars that can achieve the level of desireability as the MKIV Supra and FD3S RX7. Both could be had for a song before The Fast and the Furious hit theaters for the first time, and it could be just a coincidence that since then that the price for those cars has skyrocketed, mabey it's not. Regardless, only time will tell if the Evolutions of today become icons of the sport compact world as the FD and the Supra are, but somthing tells me it won't. Not because of the performance reasons, but because of the looks. Both the Supra and the FD's beauty are timeless, and ook good and relavent 10 years ago as they do today. In contrast, take a look at an Evolution V. As sick of a car that is, it looks dated. They can be had for a six pack of Coors and a pack of smokes in Japan.
While I do agree with you completely about the Evolution IX, most kids his age (and people in general) could give two ****s about the 4G63 engine, or the car's heritage. They just think it's a "cool all wheel drive car, with a two-liter engine and a turbo!". People like you and I who really know what those cars are about will end up scooping up piles of junk of what once was a awesome Evolution but not too far in the near future for a steal. Rising gas prices and a crappy economy will further aggrivate the resale value of these cars. As it will as the car gets older, and reliability deminishes further and further untill it is no better than a 1g DSM is now.
But all this aside, there are only a few cars that can achieve the level of desireability as the MKIV Supra and FD3S RX7. Both could be had for a song before The Fast and the Furious hit theaters for the first time, and it could be just a coincidence that since then that the price for those cars has skyrocketed, mabey it's not. Regardless, only time will tell if the Evolutions of today become icons of the sport compact world as the FD and the Supra are, but somthing tells me it won't. Not because of the performance reasons, but because of the looks. Both the Supra and the FD's beauty are timeless, and ook good and relavent 10 years ago as they do today. In contrast, take a look at an Evolution V. As sick of a car that is, it looks dated. They can be had for a six pack of Coors and a pack of smokes in Japan.
Get an insurance quote, esurance is the best and it doesnt take long to complete it. And if it is something that you or your parents could afford than thank about an evo. I would go on autotrader and look at more models and search other places before you bought that 20k Evo. I wish you the best of luck in your decision.
The MOST I would pay around here for a similar condition Evolution VIII is 22-23,000 dollars. But regardless, I am taking it that he is in the market for a new Si (which retails for about 22-24,000 dollars depending on options) or a USED Evolution for around the same cost. Evolutions IXs are still too new to get down to that price range yet. A few years and that may be an option.
While I do agree with you completely about the Evolution IX, most kids his age (and people in general) could give two ****s about the 4G63 engine, or the car's heritage. They just think it's a "cool all wheel drive car, with a two-liter engine and a turbo!". People like you and I who really know what those cars are about will end up scooping up piles of junk of what once was a awesome Evolution but not too far in the near future for a steal. Rising gas prices and a crappy economy will further aggrivate the resale value of these cars. As it will as the car gets older, and reliability deminishes further and further untill it is no better than a 1g DSM is now.
But all this aside, there are only a few cars that can achieve the level of desireability as the MKIV Supra and FD3S RX7. Both could be had for a song before The Fast and the Furious hit theaters for the first time, and it could be just a coincidence that since then that the price for those cars has skyrocketed, mabey it's not. Regardless, only time will tell if the Evolutions of today become icons of the sport compact world as the FD and the Supra are, but somthing tells me it won't. Not because of the performance reasons, but because of the looks. Both the Supra and the FD's beauty are timeless, and ook good and relavent 10 years ago as they do today. In contrast, take a look at an Evolution V. As sick of a car that is, it looks dated. They can be had for a six pack of Coors and a pack of smokes in Japan.
While I do agree with you completely about the Evolution IX, most kids his age (and people in general) could give two ****s about the 4G63 engine, or the car's heritage. They just think it's a "cool all wheel drive car, with a two-liter engine and a turbo!". People like you and I who really know what those cars are about will end up scooping up piles of junk of what once was a awesome Evolution but not too far in the near future for a steal. Rising gas prices and a crappy economy will further aggrivate the resale value of these cars. As it will as the car gets older, and reliability deminishes further and further untill it is no better than a 1g DSM is now.
But all this aside, there are only a few cars that can achieve the level of desireability as the MKIV Supra and FD3S RX7. Both could be had for a song before The Fast and the Furious hit theaters for the first time, and it could be just a coincidence that since then that the price for those cars has skyrocketed, mabey it's not. Regardless, only time will tell if the Evolutions of today become icons of the sport compact world as the FD and the Supra are, but somthing tells me it won't. Not because of the performance reasons, but because of the looks. Both the Supra and the FD's beauty are timeless, and ook good and relavent 10 years ago as they do today. In contrast, take a look at an Evolution V. As sick of a car that is, it looks dated. They can be had for a six pack of Coors and a pack of smokes in Japan.
ok i'll go along with most of that except I still think they will be worth something in the future... time will tell I suppose and I don't plan on running mine to hard for that reason... and because i'd like to save a little gas at least.
If he has the option to buy a new SI, like I said.. I would do that, it makes more sense economically and is a bit more practical although he could get a more basic civic that would get about 10-12 more mpg for even less of a price.
if you want all out performance get the evo, but again very expensive to own,the civic of course for the gas mileage, I bought mine last year with only 32k miles, already had to replace the TC, and right now in the process of replacing my clutch...something to think about
if you want all out performance get the evo, but again very expensive to own,the civic of course for the gas mileage, I bought mine last year with only 32k miles, already had to replace the TC, and right now in the process of replacing my clutch...something to think about