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tripm Mar 13, 2007 05:43 PM

Even Dr's are now addicted to meth
 
With all the posts about meth here, I thought this might be of interest to a few people. A new company run by a bunch of MIT phd's is developing turbo/direct injection/meth technology as an alternative to hybrid tech.

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18304/

They could probably learn a few things reading evom. :)

flevo8 Mar 13, 2007 05:46 PM

Whoa, you can make a 2 liter, 4 cylinder engine more powerful with Meth + Turbo?!

who'da thunk it?

KartaRailed Mar 13, 2007 05:57 PM

Oh wow... Methanol? Turbochargers? O SNAP!!!!! mad mit hp'Z y0!

SlowCar Mar 13, 2007 05:59 PM

hmm......MIT

eludebear Mar 13, 2007 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by KartaRailed (Post 4084316)
Oh wow... Methanol? Turbochargers? O SNAP!!!!! mad mit hp'Z y0!

ahahaha:lol:

scheides Mar 13, 2007 06:48 PM

Amazing!!! 3x the power of a n/a engine? Impossible!!

Oh wait....
typical 2.0 motor ~ 135hp
turbo'd 2.0 motor ~270-350hp
alky'd turbo'd 2.0 ~ 380-500++

Gah! Nevermind, NOT POSSIBLE!!!

ries Mar 13, 2007 07:15 PM

hahaha...thats great, somebody should email them a link to this site :D

tripm Mar 13, 2007 07:21 PM

ride
 

Originally Posted by ries (Post 4084695)
hahaha...thats great, somebody should email them a link to this site :D

I'm going right by their office Friday. Maybe I should take them for a ride to show them what a 'real world' application of their theory feels like?

scheides Mar 13, 2007 07:54 PM

DO IT! That'd be hilarious!

Kordyte Mar 13, 2007 08:29 PM

Yeah go for it, haha. They probably sort of know about us Evo people.

94AWDcoupe Mar 14, 2007 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by ries (Post 4084695)
hahaha...thats great, somebody should email them a link to this site :D

What for? he would just get to read a bunch of stupid posts from uneducated people.

First read about direct injection and how it differs from our evom meth injection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection

Then realize no one on here is even close to the benifits of direct injection.

For the lazy:
port injection fuel pressure 43psi
direct injection fuel pressure 1500psi

lean a/f capable for port injection 16.5/1 A/F
lean capable for direct injection 60/1 A/F

on boost A/F port injection 10/1 or richer
on boost A/f for direct injection 12.5/1-13.5/1

detonation resistance for port injection very poor
detonation resistance for direct injection very amazing.

compression of current turbo cars OEM on port injection 8/1 to 9/1
compression of direct injection turbo OEM cars 9.7/1 to 10.5/1 (bmw-mini, vw,pontiac, mazda)

tripm Mar 14, 2007 08:59 AM

What for?
 

Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe (Post 4085282)
What for? he would just get to read a bunch of stupid posts from uneducated people.

First read about direct injection and how it differs from our evom meth injection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection

Then realize no one on here is even close to the benifits of direct injection.

For the lazy:
port injection fuel pressure 43psi
direct injection fuel pressure 1500psi

lean a/f capable for port injection 16.5/1 A/F
lean capable for direct injection 60/1 A/F

on boost A/F port injection 10/1 or richer
on boost A/f for direct injection 12.5/1-13.5/1

detonation resistance for port injection very poor
detonation resistance for direct injection very amazing.

compression of current turbo cars OEM on port injection 8/1 to 9/1
compression of direct injection turbo OEM cars 9.7/1 to 10.5/1 (bmw-mini, vw,pontiac, mazda)

Reread the article. It's not a direct injection engine they are developing, but a direct methanol injection system for conventional fuel delivery systems.

<<The researchers devised a system in which gasoline would be injected into the combustion chamber by conventional means.>>

I love it when someone quotes wikipedia and links to a definition for something that is irrelevant.

Your post compares gasoline direct injection and meth injection. The new company is using CONVENTIONAL fuel injection, and direct meth injection.

Thanks also for the irrelevant figures on GASOLINE direct injection systems. When you have stats for the METHANOL direct injection systems, please come educate the poor, unwashed, ill read masses on evom.

Looks like you skipped the reading comprehension classes when you got your Ph.D.

wingless Mar 14, 2007 09:12 AM

[quote=tripm;4086005]Reread the article. It's not a direct injection engine they are developing, but a direct methanol injection system for conventional fuel delivery systems.
quote]

Actually I think the key point is that the two tecnologies combined is where the research really shows promise.

Conventional gas engines do not inject "gas into the combustion chamber", so I think this is where the reporter writing the story did not have the background to acurately convey what the PHD's were saying.

94AWDcoupe Mar 14, 2007 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by tripm (Post 4086005)
Reread the article. It's not a direct injection engine they are developing, but a direct methanol injection system for conventional fuel delivery systems.

<<The researchers devised a system in which gasoline would be injected into the combustion chamber by conventional means.>>

I love it when someone quotes wikipedia and links to a definition for something that is irrelevant.

Your post compares gasoline direct injection and meth injection. The new company is using CONVENTIONAL fuel injection, and direct meth injection.

Thanks also for the irrelevant figures on GASOLINE direct injection systems. When you have stats for the METHANOL direct injection systems, please come educate the poor, unwashed, ill read masses on evom.

Looks like you skipped the reading comprehension classes when you got your Ph.D.

I am aware what the guys in the article are doing. And I am aware I linked direct fuel injection for gasoline.

My points were this. Seven people poked fun at the article like we all have been using direct ethanol injection on evom for years. In reality no one has come close on evom to direct injection of any sort gasoline or methanol. . I linked the direct injection info so all those who posted would gain some knowledge on what direct injection is. I also posted some info on how advanced direct injection is when using gasoline. Then you only have to realize yourself that direct injection using methonal or ethanol would be even better as the guys in the article are finding out.

Nothing I posted was irrelevant. Your understanding is the only thing irrelavant.

chrismnj Apr 28, 2007 02:21 AM

sweet


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