EVO VII handling VS WRX/STI handling?
Jan 24, 2002, 04:43 AM
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EVO VII handling VS WRX/STI handling?
With similar suspension & tire setups, how would their handling traits contrast? Would the EVO VII be the superior handling car, or are they very similar?
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Jan 24, 2002, 07:26 AM
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I have a WRX that I am upgrading to ~350hp, AP racing brakes, and coilovers for daily driving and tracking. I am hoping that I won't be disappointed in its handling. The stock suspension makes me nauseous, it feels like a limo. But the underlying character feels to be very solid, and balanced. These stock 1.5 kg/mm springs have got to go!
Jan 24, 2002, 03:40 PM
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I have posted this elsewhere on this site but I think it should be repeated here.
Stating that the Scooby STi has "inherently neutral handling characteristics" goes against all the comments made by anybody who has driven the car. It understeers like mad! This is not just Evo talk. For instance, Autocar, one of the most respected magazines in the UK, stated only last week -"Push too hard and it will understeer too strongly for our tastes".
Autocar also go on to say "the Impreza STi is not strictly an Evo 7 rival" and "there's not a road tester amongst us who'd not rather drive the extraordinary Mitsubishi".
The bottom line is that the Scooby is a very good car but it is not a true performance car. It does not handle like one and even a standard Evo does. In fact, most commentators would say that an Evo is the fastest car around what in the UK we call country lanes, faster than a Porsche etc. Go on the roads where Claudius lives and no production car will touch an Evo. And I mean nothing!
Finally, you could get a Scooby to handle as well as a standard Evo, but it will cost you. Spend the same money on the Evo and the Evo wins again. It is only when you get to competition cars, with roll cages to stiffen the chassis, that the cars begin to get close to each other.
Stating that the Scooby STi has "inherently neutral handling characteristics" goes against all the comments made by anybody who has driven the car. It understeers like mad! This is not just Evo talk. For instance, Autocar, one of the most respected magazines in the UK, stated only last week -"Push too hard and it will understeer too strongly for our tastes".
Autocar also go on to say "the Impreza STi is not strictly an Evo 7 rival" and "there's not a road tester amongst us who'd not rather drive the extraordinary Mitsubishi".
The bottom line is that the Scooby is a very good car but it is not a true performance car. It does not handle like one and even a standard Evo does. In fact, most commentators would say that an Evo is the fastest car around what in the UK we call country lanes, faster than a Porsche etc. Go on the roads where Claudius lives and no production car will touch an Evo. And I mean nothing!
Finally, you could get a Scooby to handle as well as a standard Evo, but it will cost you. Spend the same money on the Evo and the Evo wins again. It is only when you get to competition cars, with roll cages to stiffen the chassis, that the cars begin to get close to each other.
Jan 24, 2002, 08:04 PM
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From what I have read I have always thought that the EVO and the STi were very close in comparison to each other. I am speaking of the European cars. I have limited experience with performance cars, but my little WRX wagon is in my mind a true performance car.
I feel that the EVO is a great car. I think the US version will be a great car. I don't think there is or will be a great disparity between the two. I love my car and think the STi will be even better.
I feel that the EVO is a great car. I think the US version will be a great car. I don't think there is or will be a great disparity between the two. I love my car and think the STi will be even better.
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Jan 24, 2002, 09:12 PM
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red,
i'm not knocking scoob's as they are great cars but having driven both you can't compare them to an evo. The evo has loads more mid range and more benign handling. By this i mean at the limit the scoob will spit out the dummy and take all its toys away whereas the evo trying to help you. Sure, if you're stupid (and i often am) you're gonna lose it, but its easy to get it back.
Not knocking yank cars, but the ones i have always had when i've been over there have handled like blancemange (like jelly but worse), as powerful as a lawn mower and been about as fun to drive as ... well i can't think of anything that bad. The scoob is gonna seem like a big step up from this.
i'm not knocking scoob's as they are great cars but having driven both you can't compare them to an evo. The evo has loads more mid range and more benign handling. By this i mean at the limit the scoob will spit out the dummy and take all its toys away whereas the evo trying to help you. Sure, if you're stupid (and i often am) you're gonna lose it, but its easy to get it back.
Not knocking yank cars, but the ones i have always had when i've been over there have handled like blancemange (like jelly but worse), as powerful as a lawn mower and been about as fun to drive as ... well i can't think of anything that bad. The scoob is gonna seem like a big step up from this.
Jan 24, 2002, 10:01 PM
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"there's not a road tester amongst us who'd not rather drive the extraordinary Mitsubishi"
Tiff Needle, in the Top Gear STi vs EVO video, "But, on first impressions, I'll take the Subaru."
Tiff Needle, in the Top Gear STi vs EVO video, "But, on first impressions, I'll take the Subaru."
Jan 25, 2002, 09:53 PM
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Tiff does not work for the magazine that wrote that piece.
Jonathon Palmer (ex F1) runs the best motorsport experience day in the UK. He has just ordered 6 E6 RS TME's because he says they are the ultimate in 4wd performance saloons. I personally respect him more than Tiff, although Tiff is more amusing and knows how to play to a crowd.
Jonathon Palmer (ex F1) runs the best motorsport experience day in the UK. He has just ordered 6 E6 RS TME's because he says they are the ultimate in 4wd performance saloons. I personally respect him more than Tiff, although Tiff is more amusing and knows how to play to a crowd.
Jan 25, 2002, 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by RED
...my little WRX wagon is in my mind a true performance car.
I feel that the EVO is a great car. I think the US version will be a great car. I don't think there is or will be a great disparity between the two. I love my car and think the STi will be even better.
...my little WRX wagon is in my mind a true performance car.
I feel that the EVO is a great car. I think the US version will be a great car. I don't think there is or will be a great disparity between the two. I love my car and think the STi will be even better.
I have to say I am always surprised at what people think is a performance car. Appearently a red badge (Subaru, Toyota, VW etc) or an M (on a BMW) make a car a performance car.
I used to have a Golf VR6, Porsche 964, an M3 3.2l, an Evo 6 RS2 and now have a Evo 6 TME. If you ask me if I have ever owned a performance car, I will say "No". The Golf and the Porsche are obviously a joke, the M3 is over estimated because it slides easily. The Evo is a lot faster round the corners than all the other aforementioned cars, and accelerates better. But you dont get the impression when driving it that it is fast; it just doesnt go hard enough. Drove a friends Audi RS4 a few weeks ago, goes well but not impressive.
To me a Porsche or an M3 is a sports coupé, a Golf a student's car, Ferraris expensive nice sounding / built sport coupés. Audi are big stationwagons, some faster than others.
The Evo is a rallye car with good traction and roadholding that lacks an engine.
A performance car, to me, is a car that actually has lots of performance, ie brakes, cornering capability and of course acceleration. For example an Evo with GrA suspension, AP 8 pot LC brakes with good pads and a 450 - 500 bhp engine.
I also think GrN cars ie Lancer Evo 6 with 265 bhp are a joke. It is good for comparing people's driving abilities but not actually fast.
Jan 26, 2002, 01:46 AM
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I saw this video on the net and it had a guy test driving the evo 6 or 7 i cant remember and the impreza and he says the impreza tends to understeer a little
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I also stated that "I have limited experience with performance cars..."
Obviuosly this is my opinion. A performance car is defined differently by different people. You seem to have great experience with a great many cars. My opinion may change when I get a chance to drive the US EVO.
Obviuosly this is my opinion. A performance car is defined differently by different people. You seem to have great experience with a great many cars. My opinion may change when I get a chance to drive the US EVO.
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