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Old Jun 22, 2017, 11:33 AM
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Evo X - Built Motor/GTX3076r -- How to make more power?

Hi guys,
I cracked piston 4 back in January 2017 @ 40k miles on my 2010 GSR. I ended up doing drop in pistons, rods, bearings (I had the block honed) and I did a built head as well with kelford 252 cams, springs, valves, retainers, head studs, etc...

I have work wheels coming very soon (its been 11 weeks) Work XSA04C 18x10.5 and broadway suspension w/ upgraded spring (swift) and 14k spring rate (4 weeks) so both should be here any day now...

I have the following mods:
ENGINE
Fully built motor:
- Wiseco Forged Pistons 86mm 9.0:1
- Manley H-Beam Connecting Rods
- King Race Bearings
- Kelford 214B Camshaft
- SS GSC STD Valves
- Supertech Dual Valve Spring and Retainer kit
- ARP2000 Head Studs
- OEM Timing Chain and Guides
- MAP Performance Gasket kit
- Driven Fabrication Catch Can -10an PCV fittings

EXHAUST/INTERCOOLER
- ETS 3" Extreme v2 exhaust
- ETS 3" Downpipe w/ External O2 dump
- ETS 3" catless test pipe
- ETS 3" FMIC
- ETS UICP + LICP
- ETS Intake
- TurboSmart Dual Port BOV

TRANSMISSION:
- Exedy Twin Disk Clutch
- ACT Mono lock

FUEL SYSTEM
Radium Engineering Fuel kit:
- Hanger/Pump: Hanger + Walboro 430LPH
- Regulator: Fuel Feed Cellulose Filter
- Filter/Feed Kit: Fuel Feed/ Stainless In Line Filter w/ -8AN PTFE hoses
- Return line
- Fuel Rail Kit w/ 8AN ORB to 8AN Male Fitting
- Pulse Dampener FPD-R 8AN ORB
- 100 PSI Pressure Gauge
- Inline 8AN to 1/8" NPT Female
-Injector Dynamic 1300cc
-Flex fuel kit (Sensor, Gauge, Wiring Harness) - 93/E85 Compatible

WHEELS/SUSPENSION/BRAKES
- Broadway BWS 500S- Evo X (SL specs) with upgraded Swift springs 14/14k spring rate.
- Work Whees Japan XSA-04C
18x10.5 f:+9 r:+13 (R-Disc)
- Factory Brembo Calipers
- Hawk HPS Front + Rear Pads
- Stoptech tech slotted rotor

EXTERIOR
- SSP aluminum under tray
- Voltex Replica Lip w/ Splitter
- Factory SSS + Aero
- Carbon fiber vortex generator

INTERIOR:
- AEM Boost gauge
- AEM Wideband gauge
- Flex fuel gauge
- OEM Cloth Recaros
- OEM Navigation

TUNING:
Protuned by Raif @ RRT Motorsports
Car made just under 400whp on a conservative tune @22psi
...might be missing some parts?

I need to do a fuel rail, fuel pressure regulator, map sensor, bigger fuel pump... what else do I need to do? I feel like I should be making mid to high 4's on pump (93)... im going to get tuned on e85 shortly, the problem is Connecticut has 2-3 gas stations with e85 @ the pump... so its a real pain in the @$$ because the closest one is an hour away, I should make 500whp on e85 Im hoping... I also have a driven fab catch can thats I ordered 16 weeks ago and still isnt here yet...

Any advice would be appreciated! I wouldve went with a t3 manifold and a PTE6262 turbo if I knew thats the route I was going to take. I never intended on blowing the motor so building it was my decision as I was already forced to replace it, might as well upgrade right? Then I got the turbo after the motor was built...then I got the manifold after I realized it had a crack in the stock one when I was breaking in the motor before getting protuned...so thats why I went stock location route...

Any advice is appreciated!
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Old Jun 22, 2017, 11:44 AM
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No need for fuel rail or a regulator. Change the fuel pump out for an Asnu 330 and you should be good.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
No need for fuel rail or a regulator. Change the fuel pump out for an Asnu 330 and you should be good.
what power is that pump good for?
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500ish on E85 with proper wiring.
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450whp should be easy with 93 octane. Your going to have to turn up the boost, and that isn't a risky path given your turbo and built block. I should mention that I actually noticed a LOG verified difference in Mobile 1 93 octane and "random" 93 octane. So if your looking to push the limits on pump gas, my experience has been that you'll get less knock on Mobile 1 gas station 93.

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Originally Posted by Jaraxle
450whp should be easy with 93 octane. Your going to have to turn up the boost, and that isn't a risky path given your turbo and built block. I should mention that I actually noticed a LOG verified difference in Mobile 1 93 octane and "random" 93 octane. So if your looking to push the limits on pump gas, my experience has been that you'll get less knock on Mobile 1 gas station 93.

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What other 93 gas have you used of the major brands? I always used Mobil 93 , but have had good results with Sunoco 93 too. It sucks as I'm also in Ct any very limited stations with e85, so just looking for the best 93 I can use.
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Originally Posted by 2010evoxgsr
Hi guys,
I cracked piston 4 back in January 2017 @ 40k miles on my 2010 GSR. I ended up doing drop in pistons, rods, bearings (I had the block honed) and I did a built head as well with kelford 252 cams, springs, valves, retainers, head studs, etc...

I have work wheels coming very soon (its been 11 weeks) Work XSA04C 18x10.5 and broadway suspension w/ upgraded spring (swift) and 14k spring rate (4 weeks) so both should be here any day now...

I have the following mods:
Built block/built head
GTX3076R turbo
MAP Tubular Manifold
ETS Extreme v2 exhaust
ETS Downpipe w/ External O2 dump
ETS catless test pipe
ETS 3" FMIC
ETS UICP + LICP
ETS intake
TurboSmart BOV
DW65c Fuel pump
Injector Dynamic 1300cc injectors
Exedy Twin Disk Clutch
ACT Mono lock
Cobb 3 port BCS
Cobb Accessport v3
Hawk HPS Front + Rear Pads
Stoptech tech slotted rotor
SSP aluminum under tray
AEM Boost gauge
AEM Wideband gauge
Protuned by Raif @ RRT Motorsports
Car made just under 400whp on a conservative tune @22psi
...might be missing some parts?

I need to do a fuel rail, fuel pressure regulator, map sensor, bigger fuel pump... what else do I need to do? I feel like I should be making mid to high 4's on pump (93)... im going to get tuned on e85 shortly, the problem is Connecticut has 2-3 gas stations with e85 @ the pump... so its a real pain in the @$$ because the closest one is an hour away, I should make 500whp on e85 Im hoping... I also have a driven fab catch can thats I ordered 16 weeks ago and still isnt here yet...

Any advice would be appreciated! I wouldve went with a t3 manifold and a PTE6262 turbo if I knew thats the route I was going to take. I never intended on blowing the motor so building it was my decision as I was already forced to replace it, might as well upgrade right? Then I got the turbo after the motor was built...then I got the manifold after I realized it had a crack in the stock one when I was breaking in the motor before getting protuned...so thats why I went stock location route...

Any advice is appreciated!


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What did it cost you to pull the motor and build it?

How much power can the stock block handle without sleeves and forged internals?
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Originally Posted by ctfpevoVIII
What other 93 gas have you used of the major brands? I always used Mobil 93 , but have had good results with Sunoco 93 too. It sucks as I'm also in Ct any very limited stations with e85, so just looking for the best 93 I can use.
The only two I filled with were Sunoco and Mobil. The Mobil definitely was better in some way (not sure if some additive, less/more ethanol, or more pure and therefore closer to the true rating) and I saw reduced knock. I verified it twice to make sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions. I never looked back and only fill with Mobil 93. On a bastard 20g GTX style 11 blade with a 9 blade TD05h I am making 182hp more at the wheels than stock on Mobil 93. We are lucky to have it available.

Boost is required to make real power when your working with a measly 2.0 liters. Your tune of 22psi is a joke for that turbo and that block you have. At that boost you likely making 400hp at the CRANK (based on rough calcs).


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Originally Posted by Jaraxle
The only two I filled with were Sunoco and Mobil. The Mobil definitely was better in some way (not sure if some additive, less/more ethanol, or more pure and therefore closer to the true rating) and I saw reduced knock. I verified it twice to make sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions. I never looked back and only fill with Mobil 93. On a bastard 20g GTX style 11 blade with a 9 blade TD05h I am making 182hp more at the wheels than stock on Mobil 93. We are lucky to have it available.

Boost is required to make real power when your working with a measly 2.0 liters. Your tune of 22psi is a joke for that turbo and that block you have. At that boost you likely making 400hp at the CRANK (based on rough calcs).


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ok so guys im ordering the radium fuel kit:
Our Price: $1,519.55
Pump Hanger
20-0312-00 EVO X Fuel Hanger, Pumps Not Included, Walbro F90000262 Gas - ($599.95)
20-0313-00 EVO X Fuel Hanger, Pumps Not Included, Walbro F90000267/274 E85 - ($599.95)
20-0311-00 EVO X Fuel Hanger, Pumps Not Included, Walbro GSS342, AEM 50-1000/1200 - ($599.95)
Regulator
20-0223-00 Black Top DMR, 8AN ORB - ($199.95)
20-0223-01 Green Top DMR, 8AN ORB - ($199.95)
Filter & Feed Kit
20-0246-01 EVO X Fuel Feed, Cellulose Filter - ($369.95)
20-0246-02 EVO X Fuel Feed, Microglass Filter - ($379.95)
20-0246-03 EVO X Fuel Feed, Stainless Filter - ($399.95)
Return Kit
20-0249 EVO X Fuel Return - ($49.95)
Fuel Rail
20-0112-12 Fuel Rail Kit, EVO X - ($139.95)
Fuel Rail Fitting
14-0152 8AN ORB to 8AN Male Fitting - ($9.95)
Pulse Damper
20-0176 FPD-R, 8AN ORB - ($89.95)
Pressure Gauge
Universal Fuel Pressure Gauge 0-100psi - ($39.95)
Gauge Fitting
14-0148-08 Inline 8AN to 1/8" NPT Female - ($19.95)

http://www.radiumauto.com/Fuel-Deliv...O-X-P1002.aspx

Im also getting tuned by Jamie Marsh @ MarshTuning or Kazien Tuning -- Im in CT. Im not happy running Cobb as I really wanted to go open source so I could run a flex fuel kit so I can run a e85 blend since there are 2 e85 gas stations in Connecticut, both over an hour away.

I got 2 55 gallon drums I plan on filling up and running. RRT has the 2nd fastest evo in the world right now thats who built my car but as far as tuning, its only @ 20psi ish with my built motor. I made this power with FBO on stock turbo.... So I decided for that reason I want to ditch the Cobb AP v3 (For sale if anyone wants to buy it, used it one time to tune my car brand new in box 3 months old lol)

I have wiseco pistons and manley h beam rods, kelford cams. car should be making 550whp at least...

my suspension came! waiting for my work wheels still... been 13 weeks still no signs of them.

stay posted fellas for dyno numbers in the next 3 weeks. going open source and flex fuel im hoping to break 500 at least.
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Honestly I would try and tune what you have. Your current fuel pump is good to go on 93:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...ootout-part-2/

The 2 E85 gas stations are over an hour an away from you! I would ditch the E85 idea.
I would take the car to Kaizen and have Rob tune the hell out of it with Mobil 93.
I am not sure why your going absolutely bonkers with fuel components.
If your doing road/race and worried about fuel starvation; I understand that.
Otherwise, why not see where you can go with what you have !?
I think you could make over 500 at the wheels at least with your setup.

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Originally Posted by Jaraxle
Honestly I would try and tune what you have. Your current fuel pump is good to go on 93:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...ootout-part-2/

The 2 E85 gas stations are over an hour an away from you! I would ditch the E85 idea.
I would take the car to Kaizen and have Rob tune the hell out of it with Mobil 93.
I am not sure why your going absolutely bonkers with fuel components.
If your doing road/race and worried about fuel starvation; I understand that.
Otherwise, why not see where you can go with what you have !?
I think you could make over 500 at the wheels at least with your setup.

~Jaraxle
I agree, I am going full ret*rd with the fuel system. It was recommended to me by another tuner who tuned 5 other evo x with a similar setup and made great power. Im going to run a flex fuel sensor kit so I can run a e85/93 blend and of I want to race someone Ill put straight e85 in it. It sucks the stations are that far but if i fill up once a month it wouldnt be the end of the world, just need to stock up lol. forgot to post my entire engine build so here it is:

ENGINE
Fully built motor:
- Wiseco Forged Pistons 86mm 9.0:1
- Manley H-Beam Connecting Rods
- King Race Bearings
- Kelford 214B Camshaft
- SS GSC STD Valves
- Supertech Dual Valve Spring and Retainer kit
- ARP2000 Head Studs
- OEM Timing Chain and Guides
- MAP Performance Gasket kit
- Driven Fabrication Catch Can -10an PCV fittings

EXHAUST/INTERCOOLER
- ETS 3" Extreme v2 exhaust
- ETS 3" Downpipe w/ External O2 dump
- ETS 3" catless test pipe
- ETS 3" FMIC
- ETS UICP + LICP
- ETS Intake
- TurboSmart Dual Port BOV

TRANSMISSION:
- Exedy Twin Disk Clutch
- ACT Mono lock

FUEL SYSTEM
Radium Engineering Fuel kit:
- Hanger/Pump: Hanger + Walboro 430LPH
- Regulator: Fuel Feed Cellulose Filter
- Filter/Feed Kit: Fuel Feed/ Stainless In Line Filter w/ -8AN PTFE hoses
- Return line
- Fuel Rail Kit w/ 8AN ORB to 8AN Male Fitting
- Pulse Dampener FPD-R 8AN ORB
- 100 PSI Pressure Gauge
- Inline 8AN to 1/8" NPT Female
-Injector Dynamic 1300cc
-Flex fuel kit (Sensor, Gauge, Wiring Harness) - 93/E85 Compatible

WHEELS/SUSPENSION/BRAKES
- Broadway BWS 500S- Evo X (SL specs) with upgraded Swift springs 14/14k spring rate.
- Work Whees Japan XSA-04C
18x10.5 f:+9 r:+13 (R-Disc)
- Factory Brembo Calipers
- Hawk HPS Front + Rear Pads
- Stoptech tech slotted rotor

EXTERIOR
- SSP aluminum under tray
- Voltex Replica Lip w/ Splitter
- Factory SSS + Aero
- Carbon fiber vortex generator

INTERIOR:
- AEM Boost gauge
- AEM Wideband gauge
- Flex fuel gauge
- OEM Cloth Recaros
- OEM Navigation

TUNING:
- Open source tune
- COBB 3-Port BCS

-- Stay tuned, dyno video and pics will be coming in the next month
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Originally Posted by 2010evoxgsr
ok so guys im ordering the radium fuel kit:
Our Price: $1,519.55
Pump Hanger
20-0312-00 EVO X Fuel Hanger, Pumps Not Included, Walbro F90000262 Gas - ($599.95)
20-0313-00 EVO X Fuel Hanger, Pumps Not Included, Walbro F90000267/274 E85 - ($599.95)
20-0311-00 EVO X Fuel Hanger, Pumps Not Included, Walbro GSS342, AEM 50-1000/1200 - ($599.95)
Regulator
20-0223-00 Black Top DMR, 8AN ORB - ($199.95)
20-0223-01 Green Top DMR, 8AN ORB - ($199.95)
Filter & Feed Kit
20-0246-01 EVO X Fuel Feed, Cellulose Filter - ($369.95)
20-0246-02 EVO X Fuel Feed, Microglass Filter - ($379.95)
20-0246-03 EVO X Fuel Feed, Stainless Filter - ($399.95)
Return Kit
20-0249 EVO X Fuel Return - ($49.95)
Fuel Rail
20-0112-12 Fuel Rail Kit, EVO X - ($139.95)
Fuel Rail Fitting
14-0152 8AN ORB to 8AN Male Fitting - ($9.95)
Pulse Damper
20-0176 FPD-R, 8AN ORB - ($89.95)
Pressure Gauge
Universal Fuel Pressure Gauge 0-100psi - ($39.95)
Gauge Fitting
14-0148-08 Inline 8AN to 1/8" NPT Female - ($19.95)

http://www.radiumauto.com/Fuel-Deliv...O-X-P1002.aspx

Im also getting tuned by Jamie Marsh @ MarshTuning or Kazien Tuning -- Im in CT. Im not happy running Cobb as I really wanted to go open source so I could run a flex fuel kit so I can run a e85 blend since there are 2 e85 gas stations in Connecticut, both over an hour away.

I got 2 55 gallon drums I plan on filling up and running. RRT has the 2nd fastest evo in the world right now thats who built my car but as far as tuning, its only @ 20psi ish with my built motor. I made this power with FBO on stock turbo.... So I decided for that reason I want to ditch the Cobb AP v3 (For sale if anyone wants to buy it, used it one time to tune my car brand new in box 3 months old lol)

I have wiseco pistons and manley h beam rods, kelford cams. car should be making 550whp at least...

my suspension came! waiting for my work wheels still... been 13 weeks still no signs of them.

stay posted fellas for dyno numbers in the next 3 weeks. going open source and flex fuel im hoping to break 500 at least.
Why did Raif keep the boost so low? He just tuned my evo 8 , 30 psi with 93/ meth and said it was conservative and my car put down 460/400.
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Originally Posted by ctfpevoVIII
Why did Raif keep the boost so low? He just tuned my evo 8 , 30 psi with 93/ meth and said it was conservative and my car put down 460/400.

It was a break in tune, he just built the motor and I knew I was coming back for a e85 map so we kept the pump 93 map conservative. I will be getting it retuned in the next few weeks and I will let you know what numbers it makes!
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Originally Posted by 2010evoxgsr
It was a break in tune, he just built the motor and I knew I was coming back for a e85 map so we kept the pump 93 map conservative. I will be getting it retuned in the next few weeks and I will let you know what numbers it makes!
Did you ever get it retuned?


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