we have been waiting on our cobb setup for awhile...

since we have the X, 2 08 sti's, and another new japanese car coming this summer. we want to package the ap with a tune for our products in packages, but its taking cobb forever to get us our hardware/software!

cb

 

FYI - we have been tuning '08 STI's with AP for a few months now.

Al

 

Cobb is stating 3rd or 4th quarter release for the AP for the X.

 

Thats a long time, but will be quite worth it.

 

An AccessPort here pretty soon would be great, but they're not even selling their intake and exhaust yet, which I imagine take a good deal less R&D. Hopefully they start getting parts out soon, I'm getting anxious.

 

Thought they can do up to 10 maps on the AP.....?

 

Are there any gains difference between Cobb and ECUtek? If not, then why is Cobb seemingly more popular then ECUtek?

 

it can be self tuned, and multi maps can be tuned and saved

 

Because the maps are loaded onto a hand held device that hooks up to your OBDii and you can flash maps instantly and where ever, when ever. So say you have a 91 octane tune and then a race gas tune you don't have to go back to a shop to switch maps.

 

Definitely more convenient than Ecutek which costs as much and has nowhere near the features that AP does. That being said not a big fan of AP and if it takes that long I suspect we will see even more options open up between now and then. Has anyone even tried an SAFC Neo or something inexpensive like that just to get the excess fuel out of there? I think it would accomplish 80-90% of a reflash without the expense and is 100% user removable/tunable if necessary.

 

An SAFC would be horrible in an X. It will artificially inflate timing way too much since you have to yank a ton of fuel out of this factory tune. You need something that can control timing too. You'd need to run race gas to even think about it.

I don't see where the AP is anywhere near as good as EcuTeK unless you want to run multiple maps. People that had EcuTeK mapped IXs were able to eventually switch over to Open Source when it came out if they wanted, while the AP you are "married" to it literally.

 

That is a very good point!

 

I'm new to Evos, what was the advantage of the Open Source route? What would it get you that an AP can't? The AP seems like it supports pretty much everything you could want out of the ECU.

 

Well to unmarry your ECU and AP all you would have to do is go back to the stock map and then just make your own tune....when you flash with the AP you are never really stuck with just there maps, there would be a **** load of legal issues I bet if they did that. They only marry the ECU and AP so you can't flash multiple cars with one unit. Just like EcuTek and there licensing thing.

 

Open Source is basically freeware. You get a cable and software to access the ECU for less than $90. When it came out for the Evo, it dominated the market. Its also very closely resembles the EcuTeK interface.


Of course you can unmarry it. But you get really crude access to the maps as an end user. You could argue that the end user at least gets some access, but you still need someone that is a protuner to get a bang on tune, as the Cobb shelf maps have always sucked. At the very least, they are not a custom tune, and if you want your car running tip top, you'd want a custom tune.

I don't like the cylinder wash AFRs that are associated with the stock mapping in open loop. The car was mapped so rich that it would bog at upshifts. EcuTeK has one huge thing Cobb does not: It is available. Cobb will say "Its coming" for months through endless pushbacks while trying to dabble in every_dang_market_they possibly can. I wanted results, not hype for the future while I run around with 8.8:1 AFRs. I was tired of my car running on that stock tune, and decided to help support what I considered a company more worth my money, EcuTeK.