EcuTek and Z chip compared on the same dyno
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^^^Pointless is just a matter of opinion. A lot of people would like to see it. People are smart enough to understand that there will be a 10-20whp difference on different cars with different mods. If you get enough cars you will still start to see trends in each product. Consistencies vs Inconsistencies. Plus there may be positives and negatives that may sway a customer to one side or the other. I think this is far from a worthless thread. To me it very much like comparing 2 different cars STI vs EVO. There are few products now. Lets get them together and see which we like more. Nothing more nothing less. The only down side to this is if one of the sides has something to hide or is scared of coming out and may lose money cause of it. If not I say let everyone have the comparison. Im headed to Cobb in Dallas Dec 13th for an AP tune. Id be more than happy to meet someone with the Z-Chip for a comparison.
nobody ever said that they were planning on bring a highly modified ecutek tuned vs a stock zchipped evo. It seems that everytime someone compares your products , you get into like a defensive state, if your chip gives 100whp then you dont have to worry about anything, correct ?.. this "test" will oviously be done with stock for stock. and if better an off the shelf mail in so that ttp cant give more excuses later.
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What we are talking about is 2 stock EVO Xs doing the tests, or two Xs with the EXACT same mods. If they both baseline within a couple hp of each other, then there's no reason to say that the test isn't legitimate. Why are you so against this test? Does that strike anyone else as a little odd? If you are confident in your product, then measuring it against the competiton should be no problem.
As a potential customer you have done nothing but turn me off the zchip with your posts in various threads. It seems like you do everything you can to stop someone from comparing a product to the "zchip". Almost like you are afraid of the results....
Last edited by smoothevo; Nov 30, 2008 at 09:08 PM.
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It is not possible to keep a test like this free from BIAS.
From my experience reading and lurking I have learned that;
1. Rguy is a ecuflash demo tester reflash supporter.
2. dcasandman is a moderator for another forum which is owned by an ecutek tuner. dcasandman also appears to be an ecutek user.
3. ibarkovich has begged TTP-Engineering for a ZChip sponsorship for months and TTP has denied his request for sponsorship. He now sports a signature supporting a competitor shop to TTP whose shopcar is ecutek tuned.
4. Sti2evox is either a current ecutek user or simply is a biased supporter of ecutek from a recent review of his posting history.
With these facts, how could one expect to take to Evo X's to a random dyno and expect there not to be bias one way or another?
Its just not possible and I fully understand what it means to have the same car custom tuned at the same place by qualified, certified tuners of both systems.
Its the only way to be fair, have both sides supported and insured there is no screwery going on.
The likelyhood of this taking place is slim to none.
From my experience reading and lurking I have learned that;
1. Rguy is a ecuflash demo tester reflash supporter.
2. dcasandman is a moderator for another forum which is owned by an ecutek tuner. dcasandman also appears to be an ecutek user.
3. ibarkovich has begged TTP-Engineering for a ZChip sponsorship for months and TTP has denied his request for sponsorship. He now sports a signature supporting a competitor shop to TTP whose shopcar is ecutek tuned.
4. Sti2evox is either a current ecutek user or simply is a biased supporter of ecutek from a recent review of his posting history.
With these facts, how could one expect to take to Evo X's to a random dyno and expect there not to be bias one way or another?
Its just not possible and I fully understand what it means to have the same car custom tuned at the same place by qualified, certified tuners of both systems.
Its the only way to be fair, have both sides supported and insured there is no screwery going on.
The likelyhood of this taking place is slim to none.
It is not possible to keep a test like this free from BIAS.
From my experience reading and lurking I have learned that;
1. Rguy is a ecuflash demo tester reflash supporter.
2. dcasandman is a moderator for another forum which is owned by an ecutek tuner. dcasandman also appears to be an ecutek user.
3. ibarkovich has begged TTP-Engineering for a ZChip sponsorship for months and TTP has denied his request for sponsorship. He now sports a signature supporting a competitor shop to TTP whose shopcar is ecutek tuned.
4. Sti2evox is either a current ecutek user or simply is a biased supporter of ecutek from a recent review of his posting history.
With these facts, how could one expect to take to Evo X's to a random dyno and expect there not to be bias one way or another?
Its just not possible and I fully understand what it means to have the same car custom tuned at the same place by qualified, certified tuners of both systems.
Its the only way to be fair, have both sides supported and insured there is no screwery going on.
The likelyhood of this taking place is slim to none.
From my experience reading and lurking I have learned that;
1. Rguy is a ecuflash demo tester reflash supporter.
2. dcasandman is a moderator for another forum which is owned by an ecutek tuner. dcasandman also appears to be an ecutek user.
3. ibarkovich has begged TTP-Engineering for a ZChip sponsorship for months and TTP has denied his request for sponsorship. He now sports a signature supporting a competitor shop to TTP whose shopcar is ecutek tuned.
4. Sti2evox is either a current ecutek user or simply is a biased supporter of ecutek from a recent review of his posting history.
With these facts, how could one expect to take to Evo X's to a random dyno and expect there not to be bias one way or another?
Its just not possible and I fully understand what it means to have the same car custom tuned at the same place by qualified, certified tuners of both systems.
Its the only way to be fair, have both sides supported and insured there is no screwery going on.
The likelyhood of this taking place is slim to none.
product. I'd like to see a "3rd party" result, but that's just me. 
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This is a stupid test.
Unless the tuning was done on the same car with the same mods the whole thread is pointless.
You act as if you are doing the newer evom members some kind of favor when you, yourself think that octane alone is the defining factor as to what power can be obtained from tuning an Evo X.
This is far from the truth and making statements such as this as well as slanderous statements that our dyno reads high, only indicates that you are the newbie you describe, lacking an understanding of tuning, dynamometers and how each product works.
Unless the tuning was done on the same car with the same mods the whole thread is pointless.
You act as if you are doing the newer evom members some kind of favor when you, yourself think that octane alone is the defining factor as to what power can be obtained from tuning an Evo X.
This is far from the truth and making statements such as this as well as slanderous statements that our dyno reads high, only indicates that you are the newbie you describe, lacking an understanding of tuning, dynamometers and how each product works.
To keep this on topic, I think this test would be interesting to see. I bet peak power gains are comparable, but the area under the curves will be interesting to see.
Last edited by NMX; Nov 30, 2008 at 09:36 PM.
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^^^ I Have no flash on my car. Ive been waiting on a product like AP or Zchip for long time. I planned on unichip or procede, but they went to the waste side. If TTP does good business and proves reliable I have not issue buying one. I don't care what I use I just want results. This test would be great for me. Yes, Im a mod on another Evo X forum. I do it cause I like my Evo. I'm the Mod of News lol so nothing important or technical. Its not like I know anything technical, and have only talked to the admin once when I ordered a boost gauge. I have 0 agenda. I just want to see results.
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It is not possible to keep a test like this free from BIAS.
From my experience reading and lurking I have learned that;
1. Rguy is a ecuflash demo tester reflash supporter.
2. dcasandman is a moderator for another forum which is owned by an ecutek tuner. dcasandman also appears to be an ecutek user.
3. ibarkovich has begged TTP-Engineering for a ZChip sponsorship for months and TTP has denied his request for sponsorship. He now sports a signature supporting a competitor shop to TTP whose shopcar is ecutek tuned.
4. Sti2evox is either a current ecutek user or simply is a biased supporter of ecutek from a recent review of his posting history.
With these facts, how could one expect to take to Evo X's to a random dyno and expect there not to be bias one way or another?
Its just not possible and I fully understand what it means to have the same car custom tuned at the same place by qualified, certified tuners of both systems.
Its the only way to be fair, have both sides supported and insured there is no screwery going on.
The likelyhood of this taking place is slim to none.
From my experience reading and lurking I have learned that;
1. Rguy is a ecuflash demo tester reflash supporter.
2. dcasandman is a moderator for another forum which is owned by an ecutek tuner. dcasandman also appears to be an ecutek user.
3. ibarkovich has begged TTP-Engineering for a ZChip sponsorship for months and TTP has denied his request for sponsorship. He now sports a signature supporting a competitor shop to TTP whose shopcar is ecutek tuned.
4. Sti2evox is either a current ecutek user or simply is a biased supporter of ecutek from a recent review of his posting history.
With these facts, how could one expect to take to Evo X's to a random dyno and expect there not to be bias one way or another?
Its just not possible and I fully understand what it means to have the same car custom tuned at the same place by qualified, certified tuners of both systems.
Its the only way to be fair, have both sides supported and insured there is no screwery going on.
The likelyhood of this taking place is slim to none.
