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Old Aug 28, 2009, 01:27 AM
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Glad I have a local ECU god living so close!
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Originally Posted by e_leo
This way of logging Afr works really well.I found that you must run common ground point for the connected devices in order to have correct readings.This way the eval formula is acurate and doesn't need to be altered.
Tephra thanks for the eval&address for my romid
Does 53050009&53050006 use the same address like my romid?
I suspected that with a better ground it would be closer to the original Eval. However, could you explain a "common ground"? There is only one ground needed, the one for my gauge/sensor. It's already 'common'.

The offset works fine, it just took a second to match the Eval to the gauge output.
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However, could you explain a "common ground"
I'm curious as well. And where would be the best place to ground to?
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common ground, as in the 2 devices that are talking to each other (wideband + ECU) share the same grounding point on the car...

that way you can rule out ground offsets as causing minor voltage deviations
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Originally Posted by tephra
common ground, as in the 2 devices that are talking to each other (wideband + ECU) share the same grounding point on the car...

that way you can rule out ground offsets as causing minor voltage deviations
Ah, thanks. Off to the FSM I go...
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^ Or just offset it
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What I do is to connect the orange wire from D35 plug with my W/B ground.The orange wire is the sensor gnd provided from the ecu to reference the input on the yellow wire.If there is any resistance between that pin and the W/B ground the readings are not accurate.If the resistance value is a lot you may see DTC 2252.
This works for me with almost 100% accuracy.
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This is so cool, now the only thing I need is the $$ to buy a wideband LOL.
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Originally Posted by stokEd
Ah, thanks. Off to the FSM I go...
Originally Posted by e_leo
What I do is to connect the orange wire from D35 plug with my W/B ground.The orange wire is the sensor gnd provided from the ecu to reference the input on the yellow wire.If there is any resistance between that pin and the W/B ground the readings are not accurate.If the resistance value is a lot you may see DTC 2252.
This works for me with almost 100% accuracy.
Nice. Thanks for mentioning this, not sure it would have crossed my mind.

Ninja EDIT: might be worth including in the How-to.
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You test and take pictures, I'll include
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I WOULD NOT use the orange wire of the ECU as your ground signal:

1) who knows what the wideband is expecting
2) who knows how much current is being drawn
3) The Hex addresses I gave are "uncorrected"
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The orange wire has 0.5v reference voltage for the rear O2 sensor.My wideband has an analog output - that has to be connected for accuracy.With that connection i have accurate readings in Evoscan but ecu throws DTC 2252 because is checking that the reference gnd is below 0.5 v.This DTC is not causing any limp or backup and any malfunction to the ecu-DTC can be cleared.This works for me fine.If anyone feels uncomfortable on testing that please dont.I have done it without any problem so far.I also did offset the eval formula and seems to be working.
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you have to understand that widebands draw a lot of current, mainly for the heater, if you use the ref-ground as the wideband ground THEN you will overload the ECU.

IMHO its better to leave it disconnected and just ensure your REAL grounds are as good as they can be...
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Pretty uderstood!My W/B has Aout+ and Aout-.I connected the Aout- to the orange wire.The heater gnd is on a different wire.Its confusing to think in greek and write in english!
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Originally Posted by tipoytm
This is so cool, now the only thing I need is the $$ to buy a wideband LOL.
Spend the money, seriously. Just don't eat for a couple days. You are tuning, albeit with base maps, and should have the proper monitoring equipment.

Originally Posted by tephra
I WOULD NOT use the orange wire of the ECU as your ground signal:

1) who knows what the wideband is expecting
2) who knows how much current is being drawn
3) The Hex addresses I gave are "uncorrected"
Good to know. I'm quite pleased with my current setup with a minor offset, it doesn't affect the end result.

If anybody wants a more "scientific" approach for the offset required for a specific ground, it would be very simple. Depending on your gauge/WB, you have different options. For my AEM, if the sensor is disconnected, the gauge is exactly 2.35V, which is equivalent to 14.7 AFR. Therefore, look at the value calculated for voltage in EvoScan when the gauge is not plugged into the sensor. LC-1's have programmable outputs, so you can set the output voltage to a constant known voltage to do the same. Then, just drive around a bit to confirm that your logged voltage is the same. If it isn't, offset it appropriately.


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