Can't legally tune a non-race car?!
Hey guys,
I'm new to this tuning thing. I have a few bolt on mods that I want to do with my '15 GSR and then I intended to have it tuned by Jeff Evans of Evan's Tuning in Mt. Bethel, PA. I sent Jeff an email looking for recommendations on a shop to have a boost leak check done just to make sure I was buttoned up before having it tuned. He didn't really have any recommendations for me, which is fine, but then this portion of his email really threw me for a loop. I've done a fair amount of reading on having your car tuned, plus I've read Jeff's own website inside and out (along with their Instagram) and this reply makes absolutely no sense to me. What am I missing here? I emailed him back asking for clarification, but he takes a few days to reply. I have a few other tuning shops within a few hours of me, but Jeff seems to be highly rated and is literally in my back yard (30 minutes away) so I'd prefer to go there, but again, I'm really at a loss here. Thoughts? Drew, I dont know of any reputable shops left in our area that I could recommend you to. Also, I am only legally able to provide tuning services if your vehicle meets the following conditions:
Also should have several of the following racing features:
Thanks! Jeff Evans Evans Tuning :confused::confused::confused: |
Sounds like he might have got busted and is now covering his ass
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And this is why I love my tuner. No shop affiliation. Street tunes on back road in the middle of now where at night while there is no traffic. Lol
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Wow, I've done so much reading on these forums and never once saw anyone imply that tuning street cars is illegal. I can't believe I missed that little detail. LOL
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sounds like he got onto somebodies radar lol. Different states have different laws though, some places pretty much anything goes. In California pretty much anything you do power wise isn't "street legal" except for the most basic of mods, like a cat back. Everything else technically needs a C.A.R.B. exemption to be used legally to replace a factory part. It's not criminal or anything, the state isn't going to prosecute you for using a 3-port BCS, you might just have to get creative about passing smog.
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Yea emissions I get. I'm in PA so I was reading up emissions and high flow cats and passing inspections/emissions. I think I should be ok here with that. In my 9 years living in this state, I don't recall ever seeing them do much more than a visual check and then plugging the car in to check for CELs.
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I 100% expect Kalifornia to eventually start coming down on tuners.
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He likely got popped or is on someone's radar. Technically, ECU tuning and most modifications done to our street cars are federally illegal as it can all be considered tampering with the factory emission's systems. So just about any shop can get popped by the epa. It's why just every parts sold generally says "for off-road use only". They don't mean off-road as in dirt roads, they mean off of public highways/streets, race use only.
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Around September of last year he made an announcement that he will be doing a tuning school, showing people how to tune their own cars.....and also stating he will only be supporting very few cars with tuning...
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His most recent post;
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Ah. He's protecting the new business. Being all official. I get it.
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I highly doubt it that tuning for horsepower only while maintaining a proper cat can put you in the wrong spot under the enforcement of the law. However, the reality is that many "enthusiasts" are asshats and demand the tuner to force the OBDII ready, so their testpipes or very-low-cell-count high-flow cats will pass emission if the inspector overlooks and checks only OBDII.
For most tuners, they have no choice if they want to maintain business, but catering to these shady clients inevitably carries non-compliance risk. When I was kid, I always wanted to own a metallic red MkIV Supra with a straight pipe, like testpipe and no muffler, until I went to college and classmates were running that exact setup. The fumes coming from their car made me so sick from time to time, and I figured that the catalytic converter has some use or two.:lol:
Originally Posted by killerpenguin21
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Messing with the tune is a direct emissions violation. More than any other part.
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Originally Posted by zeRep85RA
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Originally Posted by prozak
(Post 11853580)
sounds like a direct copy of HP Academy.... not knocking, its probably a worthwhile investment.. I learned more in 1 day working with a tuning teacher than months of trolling forums for answers.. why pay some one, when you can learn your self..
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