Looks good. I'll be buying this soon also

 

Looks good, that UICP is nice as long as they leave the BOV off it! That's actually a better deal than Depo's UICP since AGP includes clamps and gives you a choice of finishes. I still prefer Depo's LICP though, but if you buy AGP's complete intercooler + piping package it's a really damn good deal.

 

I am overall pretty satisfied. As mentioned, I am having a little bit of a fitment issue with the IC touching the hood latch bracket. Also, The UICP doesnt seem to fit perfectly with the factory cooling plate but I did get it on there. Could be that I just didnt push the pipe far enough into the hump hose coupler.

 

Agreed; easy adjustment to make.

 

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Thanks!

Michael

 

Interested but skeptical. So if Kraka, Michael, anyone can help convince the doubters and do a public service...

Using a stock turbo, provide logs of pulls before & after installing the upgraded intercooler, both runs must use the same exact same tune -- no adjustments. Let's put the do I need a retune question to bed. Need to know what the expected pressure drop/gain is (as an indication of flow rate/restriction) compared to stock. Also log Boost, WGDC, IAT & MAT. Then go ahead and retune as you like and show us good folks proof just how well the new intercooler lowers MAT and make power.

My guess is that outside of alleviating heat soak, there will be negligible power benefit for the money. I don't mind being proved wrong, but at the very least we as a consuming public would appreciate demonstrated education on what these things can do.

I hope you consider to accept this challenge

 

You're skeptical that an intercooler works? This has been covered time and time again. I even did a lot of testing like this back when I had my Evo IX with the Perrin FMIC and I know ETS did some testing when they first released their X intercoolers to the market.

On the stock IX turbo I found:
-less pressure drop so boost increased
-manifold air temps decreased
-power gained

MAT was always within 10F of ambient on my IX @ WOT with stock turbo and Perrin FMIC, and with the IX you need to remember the "cold" pipe is much longer than it is on the X and travels a greater distance through the engine bay allowing to absorb some of the engine bay heat before it gets to the intake manifold where I had my temp sensor. Another thing I found, MAT was below MAF temp with the larger aftermarket intercooler

 

I'm skeptical that upgraded FMIC it works any better than stock for a stock turbo. Upgraded turbo, probably necessary. I'm really talking about bang for the buck. Need solid perusable evidence. That's never been posted as far as I can tell.

 

Also, I'm interested only in results on Evo Xs. Yes, ETS did some experiments a long time ago, but they used a MBC, so I suspect that's not consistent with how most X owners run their cars.

 

Here you go.



https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ts-thread.html

This was in 2008. Cobb wasn't even available at this time. Stock tune w/ a boost controller added.

Thanks!

Michael

 

Waiting on my 3.5" ETS package from map

 

Thanks Kracka. Thanks Michael, I read that thread a long time ago and consider it a good starting point and food for thought. One problem is that by introducing the MBC in the list of HW, I frankly now can't tell if power came from the part installed alone or by corresponding cranking up the boost with each run. No evidence to show one way or the other, so IMHO these experiments have no control group.

So restating the questions and with a little of my background and consistent with others asking about this very thing. So, we have an Evo X running a stock turbo, installed an intake or drop in, cat back exhaust, maybe HFC test pipe, 3 port and got a tune. Then we decide we want more. Not looking to go big turbo or E85 yet. So we consider dropping $$$ into upgrading the FMIC. Well is this worth it? Do we really need to get a retune? Help us find out.

What happens to our boost curve by having just bolted on the FMIC? Bar & plate vs stock tube and fin, bigger dimensions -- how's it flow? How does this affect spool? How does this affect peak boost? How well does MAT decay over the pull compared to stock FMIC? Did you make power? Did you loose power? Remember no tune. Take some logs.

OK, so now maybe we conclude a retune is needed to bring out the awesome.. Retune, and relog. How does it do now? Did we make power. How much? How much did we spend to get this. Was it worth it?

Post full data logs before, after HW install and after retune. Analytically, irrefutable data we can chart, see, compare. WGDC, boost, MAF, IAT, baro, note ambient temp, knock, etc.

Consider what we've spent. Cost for parts, cost for retune, affects of bolting 10+ more pound piece sitting on the extreme front of our car.

I'm a bit skepticle, but hope I'm not being antagonistic or calling people out. I'm totally not doing anything of the sort. I might come off a doubter, hopefully not a hater. More to the fact, I'd describe this line of questioning consistent with just being a conscientious consumer.

Anyone who want to provide this data, I'd be more than grateful. Thanks in advance.

 

All the following was while still having the stock 2014 GSR tune

First mod I did was a high flow panel filter
-Power was a little smoother
-More noise from Turbo and BPV

Worth it? Yes, it was cheap and easy

Second mod, Megan downpipe, Depo HFC, CNT dual N1 catback
-Car got louder
-Little faster acceleration
-Boost hit a little harder

Worth it? maybe, cost would be around $1000 for all new parts(I bought some used). While the car sounded good, it wasn't as fast as it sounded.

Third mod, AGP FMIC
-Smoother power
-More consistent power
-Power gain was greater than the gain from the panel filter and turbo back exhaust combined.

The first test drive after installing the AGP FMIC actually made me say "WOW" out loud when I ran out 1st and 2nd gear. Boost hit hard and fast and the car pulled harder through out the entire power band. My OBD2 tool was showing boost hitting over 22psi, again on a stock tune.

Now these are not hard number like you are asking for, but in the past 12 years that I have been dealing with turbocharged cars, I will say an upgraded FMIC(of quality manufacture and reasonable size) is never a waste, especially so on an Evo.

 

Thanks for your input. I'm glad you like it.

 

In order to transfer more heat of the charge air over the stock intercooler, don't you have to slow the flow of that air?