evo_soul

Been scanning around to get offical pricing in canada, but i cancelled my canadian pre order ideas. I found a US source that will sell to me.

I am willing to bet that MITSU canada is gonna try some bullsh#t and try to price the car way higher then the USA one. considering our currency is not 1=1.08 US and 1.05 at the bank.

It better be even

blitzkrieg79

Owning a car is a luxury, not a necessity, no one is forcing anyone to buy a car, if you feel ripped off then find a better deal. Canadian prices have nothing to do with US prices even if the US Dollar is falling. Canada has different regulations/taxes/tariffs, also Canadian market is very very little compared to American one where manufacturers are able to lower the MSRP and just sell in much higher quantities (lower profit margin per vehicle but the number of total sales is much higher). Mitsubishi Canada (and all other manufacturers) will charge in Canada what they think they can get out of it, if other car manufacturers will start to lower prices then Mitsu will be forced to lower them too as competition is what drives the prices down. Each market is specific, you can't just compare exchange rates, take a look at European prices and thats the price you pay for socialism.

austenm

could be that US prices might just be higher, our prices might stay the same?

evo_soul

The Regulations / Taxes and Tariffs are harmonized to comply with North American Free Trade as well as safety standards vs. those of Europe and Asia. this is what stops people from importing cars from outside north amera that is younger then 15 years.

Everything inside north america are generally the same for importation sake. State / Province taxes / Federal taxes are a point of sale matter. I am just refering to the MSRP pricing.

for example

THe low end Toyota Highlander in canada is 39,000 MSRP, in the USA the same car is 27,999.

WTF

This is why i am really hoping the class action lawsuits do what they are intended to do and that is to cause manufactuer so get off their *** and do something.

It is illegal to tell a dealership not to sell to a canadian or vise versa, due to Nafta and Free Trade its a violation of the law. Hey I wasnt a fan or against the idea of free trade but the law is the law. and if the big manufacturers get a good slap on the knees then so be it.

I should not that Mitsubishi is not one of the companies in the lawsuit. Misupricess have been pretty balanced and fair due to their long standing history in north american when it comes to pricing.

I guess my point to this thread is to keep an eye on what Mitsu is going to do for the EVO X which is the first one sold in Canada ever!

anomatrix

I have mine on pre-order. I'm on good terms with the GM of one of the dealerships in town. If they screw with the prices, ie. mark-up or whatever, I'm simply going to walk away. Yes, they are going to be unique as a first up here. But that is no reason to charge above fair market price. I have 2 BMW dealerships competing to sell my a 335xi and make it worth my while.

blitzkrieg79

Then give us your health care system along with education system and you can take our prices. Canada is a socialistic country, you get taxed for everything but at least you get something in return. Anyway, I really don't understand the lawsuit, basically people are suing car companies because people think those cars should be cheaper? No one is forcing anyone to buy anything, jeeezzzz, it's a free market economy, market dictates the prices, Canada is a more expensive place to live than most of USA therefor cars are more expensive there.

I think manufacturers/world economies, because of the weak US dollar, don't want to bring down their prices to US level prices because that would cause a huge inflation in USA (which stands for 25% of world economy and has 50% of world gold reserves) meaning it would cause a worldwide recession. This does not only concern cars. US Dollar will bounce back sooner or later (probably when Democrats will win the presidential election) anyway and manufacturers can't adjust prices on daily basis because that in itself actually costs. I think since US/Canada/Mexico formed NAFTA, they should use only one currency (something like European Union has with Euro), that would stabilize local prices/cost and thats where the Amero concept kicks in.

pltek

iTrader: (33)

well then, some advise

if you are canadian, buy your car in usa

if your american, buy your persriptions in canada

or a general rule, if you are frugal (or wicked smaat) buy your stuff where its cheapest

evo_soul

No they are suing because the Canadian HQs keep the prices high, and also prevent or refuse warranty service on cars bought in the USA. which just doesnt make any sense. They also instruct the USA HQs to force dealers to not sell cars to Canadians. It is suppost to be a free market due to Nafta but it is not. That is what the lawsuit is over, lol not just cause its over priced. And since when is canada a socialistic country. canada varies greatly depending on where you live, Quebec is different from Ontario, Ontario differs from Alberta, BC, etc..

Second point, what your seeing right now with the Canadian Vs. US currency is a decupling of the two, Canada is no longer a satilite country / market of the US, of course alot of our exports are absorbed by the US, but now canada is becoming more of a Petro Country. Canadas currency is now pegged with OIL.

Over the next few decades , it will be come more evident as the oil sands increase their technological capacity and become more efficent at getting the stuff out of the ground

blitzkrieg79

Canada definitely resembles European Union more than it does US when it comes to it's tax/welfare system. Income taxes are higher than in US, sales tax is higher than in US, you guys get a free education, free health care, state sponsored loans for various occassions from newcomers to newly wed. Here in US all our taxes go to Bush wars that shouldn't have happened causing a huge budget deficit which corelates to huge loans US took from Asian countries.

Anyway, check this out: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/topworldtables1_2.htm
USA produces more than twice as much oil as Canada and yet US Dollar lost 50% of it's value toward Canadian Dollar over the past few years (Canada isn't the only country that has huge unpegged oil fields, USA is right in there too). If oil will get expensive enough to justify the increased use of own oil sands, US has nothing to worry about because researchers calculated that at the current demand, US has about 250 years of KNOW oil supply on their own soil and probably much more still not found. My point is that US Dollar is also pegged to oil and has been since the 1970s, current weak state of US Dollar has more to do with US budget deficit/Chinese loans than Canadas economy actually growing and being strong, notice that US Dollar is losing value to most other currencies especially Euro. I am pretty sure US Dollar is going to be fine over the long term, this situation has happened before in the 1970s and 1980s.

jackygor

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Go to US to buy it because IT WON'T BE ON PAR WITH THE US PRICE.

Also, Canada has a different crashing regulation, so the Canadian Evo X is 1.8 inch longer, so you might need to deal with that.

I have heard GSR will start at 42k while a fully loaded MR (with navi) will come at 48k.

evo_soul

I am not here to battle talking points, but your generalization of Canadian seems to be slightly off the mark. Canada is canada, in different aspects, canada is more like the USA and in others its more like other countries all around the world.

There is very little that defines canadians / americans. What is different is government structure and policies. But we both buy the same things, have the same habits and countinue to work together, no two countries in the world have such a great unified relationship.

Also generalizations are also based on where you live. Americans from Buffalo vs. Canadians from toronto have alot in common due to our joined economies. Comparing someone from New Mexico Vs. NY, there is alot of diversities vs. things you have in common. Canadian and the USA have different extremes. but the point i am trying to make is, generally we are the same.

As I said before, policies of governments / administrations are what set the tone. As for the comment of education. Last time i checked grade school and highschool was paid for by tax payers dollars, the same is true for the USA. There are no special loans that dont exist in different states vs. Canadian provinces. As for new comers and newly wed I am not sure what that means but last time i checked when you get married all you get is a ball and chain. I will refrain from commenting on my views of current administrations in canada and the US cause a political debate is hardly what we need here.

But getting to the Canadian Oil thing, the web link you have given tells only part of the story. Although American may produce oil, the type of oil heavy / light and its availibility to bring to market are what is important. Quoting from our good old wikipedia "searching OIL SANDS" "Many countries in the world have large deposits of oil sands, including the United States, Russia, and various countries in the Middle East. However, the world's largest deposits occur in two countries: Canada and Venezuela, both of which have oil sands reserves approximately equal to the world's total reserves of conventional crude oil. As a result of the development of these reserves, most Canadian oil production in the 21st century is from oil sands or heavy oil deposits, and Canada is now the largest single supplier of oil and refined products to the United States. "

Wrapping up this point, canadians economic standing and its currency is directly pegged to the market oil prices. of course the easy to mine / extract oil is flowing freely, but should countries that produce light or sweet crude begin to run out, or not be able to extract oil fast enough. Speculation will push Canadian oil prices higher. And since we are directly plugged into the USA in terms of oil product delivery, the balance of currency power is swinging the other way.

Now all of this said, the canadian currency at this point and forward will be at the mercy of oil prices, oil goes down, so does our currency, oil goes up, you get the idea. But economic developments in the USA will countinue to affect Canada less and less in terms of economic currency effects. I am not even going to start on Economics. I think what the USA should do is get into action and begin explorer other energy options such as utilitizing your HUGE HUGE COAL reserves. coal is good it wont run cars but it does produce energy.

blitzkrieg79

Actually with modern technology it is possible to run cars using coal (of course indirectly) as there are ways to basically make oil out of coal liquid, of course such extraction/production is expensive by todays standards but who knows, with oil prices going up some day it may be worth the cost. As far as US and other energy sources, you don't hear a lot about it in media (maybe except for Detroit attempt at hybrids), but US is expanding it's use of natural energy sources such as solar power (solar panels especially in southern/sunny states is up) as well as expansion of wind turbines (wind power) across the US. At the end of this year it is said that US will surpass Germany as the leading country of wind power use.

As far as Canada being different from US, I didn't mean in a cultural sense but in the government/economic/tax system sense.

evo_soul

Well, what can you say, the USA is a republic and Canada is a semi monarcy parlimentary system. although the ties to enland are no longer as meaningful. we both decend from european roots I guess.


Tax wise, I think Clinton was spot on, had everything balanced, and well 2000 , all that went out the window.

That speaks for itself. We will see what the second clinton can do.

jeffmcm

I don't know if the government is just assuming the 2008 Evo can't be imported (along with the previous generation Evos), or if this has something to do with the new immobilizer system law in Canada, or if it’s the stupid bumper crash ratings but it looks like any hopes of saving a few dollars and buying in the US are now crushed.....

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/impor...MITSUBISHI.htm

jackygor

iTrader: (9)

^^^

thanks for the link!