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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 07:17 AM
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sorry not to argue, but . That was an 8 not a 9, and we know there is a differences. Later on cleard out it wasn't a full race car. It was a track " prepped " car. Now there is a hughe difference. So when you say keep the facts , then keep it. Matter a fact my car is more race car then what they posted later on there... and i wouldn't call my car a race car. Race prepped, yes.
The fully race car apply for Evasive-AMS- HKS etc. the killing story's will come this summer i'm sure.
So when somebody/not just you/ try to implant that idea for unexperienced guys brain, the fully race evo 8 run only 1 sec faster then the new X untuned + bolt ons and same wheels and tires...

it is falling the category what you dont like .... the fanboy wagon.
PWNED!!!
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bfdd
Anyways, back on topic. What's the exact difference between a Closed deck and an Open deck? Can a closed deck run higher compression? What are the advantages of each? Also, wouldn't a semi closed have the best of both worlds?
Looks to me that a semi-closed deck design, like the 4B11T, attempts to get the best of both worlds - i.e. less weight, less cost to manufacture, better cooling passages than a closed deck, while being stronger than an open-deck design.

IMO, the 4B11T will be able to accomodate somewhere in the neighborhood of 99% of all Evo X owners as far as power is concerned. Looking at the TTX pics and taking into account the better flowing head, I don't see how this thing can't make between 400-500whp all day long. Sure, the few that want to push it past 600whp into 1K+ territory will have to make some serious adjustments, but those are few and far between.

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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 10:03 AM
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Ok sorry, the car was an 8, but it was definitely fully race prepped. Gutted, roll cage, full racing coilovers and all supporting chassis braces = race prepped. So the only fact that I had wrong by accident was that the car was an 8 and not a 9. So boostez, you can say pwed, or whatever lame crap you want, but the facts were correct robevo, sorry, but it's just the truth. It's a hard pill to swallow, the X being a better car than the 9, but you guys have to get over it. You are the ones being fanboys, not me. I simply represent the facts that are posted by the tuners and the pros. End of story.
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
Ok sorry, the car was an 8, but it was definitely fully race prepped. Gutted, roll cage, full racing coilovers and all supporting chassis braces = race prepped. So the only fact that I had wrong by accident was that the car was an 8 and not a 9. So boostez, you can say pwed, or whatever lame crap you want, but the facts were correct robevo, sorry, but it's just the truth. It's a hard pill to swallow, the X being a better car than the 9, but you guys have to get over it. You are the ones being fanboys, not me. I simply represent the facts that are posted by the tuners and the pros. End of story.
"Gutted, roll cage, full racing coilovers and all supporting chassis braces = race prepped."

here is hes spec for hes 8:
"This is Jeremy from UMS Tuning

Tony's EVO 8
-3565 with Tony in it, weighed on 1/06/08 @ PIR on Longacre scales
-Magnus 2.1 stroker
-360whp
-Ksport Kontrol Pros with stiffer springs
-Hocthkis rear sway bar
-14" rotors with 6 piston calipers, SBS race pads front, stock brembo rear with PF 97 pads
-Caged (legal for up to 7.50s's in the 1/4)
18x9.5 wheels with 275-35-18 Nitto NT-01"

So: he got the stroker kit, KS sport suspension with stiffer springs, swaybar, bigger breaks and pads in front, and roll care and no gutting / 3565lbs with driver/...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...36#post5217036

so full race car huh?
Dude how many times you need to be find wrong? why YOU just can't get the facts? X is better ,yes . That much? No.

If you want to see full race cars then look up the shops i stated above. Just one time try to listen, you might get some benefits from it. I can understand you hatred towards the 8-9, since you have an STI. But at least you see the lights and finally you will sit in the right car. The X. I might even get one for next year so we can be friends! Brothers in Arms!

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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by robi
I agree this chassis is a much better platform than the CT9A.
Originally Posted by chronohunter
However the X is just a giant tempting leap forward, most guys who prefer the 8/9s over the X claim it's not hardcore because it's quieter and smoother but it does not seem to enter the equation that runs rings around the previous generations? Just because it's quieter and more refined does not make it less hardcore because the performance took a great leap forward at the same time.

I had to spend months refining ohlins to get the similar performance out of an 8/9 but a X does a better job stock
People who deny the X is a better chassis and platform as a whole need to get there head checked. The two above quotes are from two highly respected suspension engineers.

Both Robi and chronohunter both feel the X is a huge leap forward in handling/chassis/braking.
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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Are there any facts that a bone stock X is faster than a IX around the track? The 2 aticles I saw had the IX beating the X both USDM
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by billyblonco
Are there any facts that a bone stock X is faster than a IX around the track? The 2 aticles I saw had the IX beating the X both USDM
That was with preproduction models. Motortrend has done a new comparo with a production model and it was 1 second faster than the IX.
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 10:42 AM
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Motortrend ran a 1:32.xx with a production Evo X GSR at willow versus a 1:34.xx with an IX. The initial test they ran, the pre-production Evo X GSR ran a 1:36.xx.

I'm sure that ultimately we'll find that on some tracks a stock IX will be faster, and most others the X will be faster.

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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
"Gutted, roll cage, full racing coilovers and all supporting chassis braces = race prepped."

here is hes spec for hes 8:
"This is Jeremy from UMS Tuning

Tony's EVO 8
-3565 with Tony in it, weighed on 1/06/08 @ PIR on Longacre scales
-Magnus 2.1 stroker
-360whp
-Ksport Kontrol Pros with stiffer springs
-Hocthkis rear sway bar
-14" rotors with 6 piston calipers, SBS race pads front, stock brembo rear with PF 97 pads
-Caged (legal for up to 7.50s's in the 1/4)
18x9.5 wheels with 275-35-18 Nitto NT-01"

So: he got the stroker kit, KS sport suspension with stiffer springs, swaybar, bigger breaks and pads in front, and roll care and no gutting / 3565lbs with driver/...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...36#post5217036

so full race car huh?
Dude how many times you need to be find wrong? why YOU just can't get the facts? X is better ,yes . That much? No.

If you want to see full race cars then look up the shops i stated above. Just one time try to listen, you might get some benefits from it. I can understand you hatred towards the 8-9, since you have an STI. But at least you see the lights and finally you will sit in the right car. The X. I might even get one for next year so we can be friends! Brothers in Arms!
You need to stop this you think you're being better than him by proving it's not a "full race car" big effing deal. You know what though? It was setup a HELL of a lot better for a race around a track than that X was and pulled a meer 1second faster around the track with more horse power, less weight, tuned suspension, and bigger brakes.

Ludikraut, that's what it looked like to me. I saw people saying they like fully closed decks better blah blah, but I was looking at the pictures and wondering wtf was wrong with it it looked really thought out.
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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Ok robevo, your're just nitpicking about the fact that I was wrong about the car being gutted, but other than than the car is what most people would consider fully race prepped. All supporting chassis braces, coilovers, and a F***ing rollcage for christ's sake. Why do you keep wanting to think that I'm misrepresenting the facts? I was going off of memory for the specs of the car and I had two tiny details wrong. Of course, the chassis and everything else on the 8 is exactly the same as the 9, except the engine, so the fact that I remembered incorrectly makes no difference at all. This is pointless, and you're arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm done wih this thread, and your nitpicking over unimportant details. And for the record, I don't hate the 9 because of the fact that I have an sti. When I bought my sti back in '04, it was the better car by most of the road test comparisons. The evo 9 was faster than the evo 8 and as a result, won most of the comparison tests in 05 and 06. I love the evo 9, as it's really the car that got me into evos. I was almost going to buy one, but after reading about the new X, I decided to wait and get the new one. It's the better overall car. Period, end of story. Now if you don't mind, why don't we get ack on topic, as I'm tired of having to defend the facts all the time. I would rather spend my typing time responding to worthwhile posts from the people that I actually want to hear from; the tuners talking about the gains that the car is making with mods and tuning. Now please drop this and let's move on. BACK ON TOPIC!
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
Ok robevo, your're just nitpicking about the fact that I was wrong about the car being gutted, but other than than the car is what most people would consider fully race prepped. All supporting chassis braces, coilovers, and a F***ing rollcage for christ's sake. Why do you keep wanting to think that I'm misrepresenting the facts? I was going off of memory for the specs of the car and I had two tiny details wrong. Of course, the chassis and everything else on the 8 is exactly the same as the 9, except the engine, so the fact that I remembered incorrectly makes no difference at all. This is pointless, and you're arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm done wih this thread, and your nitpicking over unimportant details. And for the record, I don't hate the 9 because of the fact that I have an sti. When I bought my sti back in '04, it was the better car by most of the road test comparisons. The evo 9 was faster than the evo 8 and as a result, won most of the comparison tests in 05 and 06. I love the evo 9, as it's really the car that got me into evos. I was almost going to buy one, but after reading about the new X, I decided to wait and get the new one. It's the better overall car. Period, end of story. Now if you don't mind, why don't we get ack on topic, as I'm tired of having to defend the facts all the time. I would rather spend my typing time responding to worthwhile posts from the people that I actually want to hear from; the tuners talking about the gains that the car is making with mods and tuning. Now please drop this and let's move on. BACK ON TOPIC!
Man, you are like a kid with a new toy!!

I can't wait till the excitment wears away on you, then you'll come down to earth.. As much as you talk about being on the track, I'm anticipating weekly diaries of your road races...
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 07:15 PM
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lol, thats funny
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