4 point harness
4 point harness
Jul 21, 2008, 01:57 PM
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Maybe he wanted it for the looks, maybe he wanted it for just the harness, maybe he owned a few cars already and not one rolled over.....maybe its just something he wanted or maybe he just doesnt like roll cage at all...
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Jul 22, 2008, 11:26 AM
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The only 4-point that I'd go with (an that most clubs allow you to run) are Schroth 4-points with the ASM (Ant-SubMarine) device. Otherwise it's simply not safe.
Without a harness bar, the Schroth Rallye 3 with the tail mounted to the rear c-pillar seat belt mount point is the best bet.
Without a harness bar, the Schroth Rallye 3 with the tail mounted to the rear c-pillar seat belt mount point is the best bet.
Jul 22, 2008, 01:12 PM
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The only 4-point that I'd go with (an that most clubs allow you to run) are Schroth 4-points with the ASM (Ant-SubMarine) device. Otherwise it's simply not safe.
Without a harness bar, the Schroth Rallye 3 with the tail mounted to the rear c-pillar seat belt mount point is the best bet.
Without a harness bar, the Schroth Rallye 3 with the tail mounted to the rear c-pillar seat belt mount point is the best bet.
Jul 22, 2008, 01:39 PM
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well i had a 3 point sparco in my 05 rx8 mounted to the c pillar and raced almost every weekend with no problem, i just thought it might be a little bit easier and a little bit cleaner if i install a harness bar and so that i can still have the rear seats open if i ever needed to use them
It sounds to me like you are confusing the terms 3-point and 4-point with the mounting system. A 3-point harness is the normal seat belt in any modern car. A 4-point harness that uses a three point mounting system is still a 4-point harness.
Harness bars are great - BUT you are NEVER supposed to have rear passengers in a car with a harness bar installed.
The Schroth Rallye 3 is nice because it has the ASM, it doesn't rely on the seat being strong enough to support crash loads, and it has a convenient release buckle on the tail strap so that you can still use the rear seats. Schroth is the only company with the quik-release for the tail strap. Check it out, it sounds like it is the best setup for what you want, especially if you want to use the rear seats easily and safely: http://www.schrothracing.com/product...allye/rallye-3
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Jul 22, 2008, 02:14 PM
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Most clubs are implementing the Schroth ASM only rule as of this year, so it's a pretty new thing.
It sounds to me like you are confusing the terms 3-point and 4-point with the mounting system. A 3-point harness is the normal seat belt in any modern car. A 4-point harness that uses a three point mounting system is still a 4-point harness.
Harness bars are great - BUT you are NEVER supposed to have rear passengers in a car with a harness bar installed.
The Schroth Rallye 3 is nice because it has the ASM, it doesn't rely on the seat being strong enough to support crash loads, and it has a convenient release buckle on the tail strap so that you can still use the rear seats. Schroth is the only company with the quik-release for the tail strap. Check it out, it sounds like it is the best setup for what you want, especially if you want to use the rear seats easily and safely: http://www.schrothracing.com/product...allye/rallye-3
It sounds to me like you are confusing the terms 3-point and 4-point with the mounting system. A 3-point harness is the normal seat belt in any modern car. A 4-point harness that uses a three point mounting system is still a 4-point harness.
Harness bars are great - BUT you are NEVER supposed to have rear passengers in a car with a harness bar installed.
The Schroth Rallye 3 is nice because it has the ASM, it doesn't rely on the seat being strong enough to support crash loads, and it has a convenient release buckle on the tail strap so that you can still use the rear seats. Schroth is the only company with the quik-release for the tail strap. Check it out, it sounds like it is the best setup for what you want, especially if you want to use the rear seats easily and safely: http://www.schrothracing.com/product...allye/rallye-3
Jul 22, 2008, 02:32 PM
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haha, i figured, ...ok so on the rx8 i had the belt mounted to the pillar and mounted the front straps bolted under the seat that bolt down the seat in the front, is that the right way or was i just being dumb and there is a safer way of doing it? or is there another place to bolt down the straps?
Jul 22, 2008, 05:08 PM
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You should mount the side belts to the mounting point for the factory seat belts down on each side of the seat. Most of the companies have detailed installation instructions that explain the proper place to mount the belts. The reasoning behind how and where can get very complicated very quickly.
A harness bar is best, but basically makes the rear seats useless. A single tail strap mounted to the seat belt anchor on the c-pillar is second best. A lot of clubs won't allow you to use a two strap system that mounts down at the rear seat lap belt anchors because the straps are then too long and stretch enough in an impact for you to slip out.
A harness bar is best, but basically makes the rear seats useless. A single tail strap mounted to the seat belt anchor on the c-pillar is second best. A lot of clubs won't allow you to use a two strap system that mounts down at the rear seat lap belt anchors because the straps are then too long and stretch enough in an impact for you to slip out.