mostH8D... is your car working properly?!?!?! Mine doesn't have any huge lag... my car accelerates like a bat out of hell...

 

you haven't been to their site in a while have you? they're soon to release 600whp clutch packs for the MR

http://www.sspperformance.com/produc...roducts_id=141

 

Yah I knew about them (I actually know someone running them). That was an old post.

To the person that "hates the MR tranny". You sir either have a bad tranny, or don't know how to drive it. If you can't figure out after 10k miles, I really don't know what to say. I have 0 lag when I drive. I know exactly what the car is going to do, I feel sorry that you have a lack of patience to take and learn the tranny.

 

learn the tranny? its an automatic.

you guys are pretty stupid with your default "do you know how to drive" response.

again, its an automatic and i know how to step on the gas.

its unfortunate my opinion is not the same as yours in this case and you cant accept different things.

for anyone looking to buy an MR, dont do it unless you like to eat tacos while you drive. the free hand will help immensely. its an automatic with lots of lag from a stop and in transitions.

 

i love cheerios and ***** too

 

Great write. It's nice to see someone who has actually driven both for more than just a test drive. I've never driven a GSR other than on a test drive. I love my MR and so few understand why. They call it an automatic, when I hardly remember when I actually use it as an automatic. It saved my *** in the last few months by giving me the ability to drive while my left ankle was broken, and I was on crutches. I'm an advocate of manual transmissions. I have automatic transmissions. But I do love the SST.

If you own a GSR, take the opportunity to DRIVE an MR, if you ever get it.

 

See! That's exactly what I was talking about. It is NOT an automatic! That is why you are so wrong.

This tranny has no automatic characteristics besides the fact that there is electronic shifting. There is so much more going on that you are so unaware of. If you were patient enough to realize that this WASN'T an automatic you wouldn't be having these problems.

I'm not even going to help you, because you're being so arrogant. You're either so arrogant that you won't learn how the tranny functions, or you don't have an MR... which is it?

If you ask nicely, maybe I'll explain it to you. I just get tired of having to explain it to the people that don't want to listen.

 

I would have loved to have gotten a MR, after all I had paid the MR price for my fully loaded GSR. At the time they were having problem trying to get the bugs out of the SST transmission so they didn't have any MRs at the time to purchase. Maybe later on I'll try to get one and move my parts to the MR.

 

Sorry, migs, it's an automatic. If it can shift itself (regardless of the technology used on the inside), it's an automatic. There is no way around that. You can try to defend it any way you want, but that doesn't change the fact of what it is. It's not a traditional torque converter, but it's still an automatic. Embrace it and love it for what it is.

As far as lag off the line is concerned, it's an inherent (and unfortunate) trait of a dual-clutch system. You'll find the exact same lag on a VW or Audi with DSG. You'll find it on the GTR or the new M3. It's just a function of the transmission trying to smoothly engage the clutches from a dead stop. The only time there isn't lag is when you floor it from a stop...which isn't practical in daily driving. It is what it is.

Also, let's not forget about the jerky shifting when coming to a stop (in auto mode) is also an inherent (and unfortunate) trait of the transmission. It happens on all of them.

Trust me...I've owned an R32 with DSG, I've got significant seat time behind the wheel (on track and daily driving) of nearly every Audi and VW with DSG (I work for one of Audi's partners) and I've also driven my friends M3 with DCT and the Evo MR and have experienced both issues in each vehicle.

You should spend some time behind the wheel of other cars with a dual-clutch tranny. You'll see what I'm talking about. At the very least, spend some time reading the VW and M3 forums to get a feel for how this type of automatic transmission functions.

In the end, it's a wonderfully fast shifting transmission and is probably the best transmission for the track (which is what it was engineered for). The technology behind it is amazing. The lighting fast shifts are great, as are the rev-matched downshifts. But, as a daily driver, it does not offer the smoothness of a torque converter and you cannot modulate the clutch like a manual. It's a great transmission, but it does have it's flaws.

 

I would trade mine for a 5 speed any day!!!
I don't know why ppl praise it so much coz I HATE IT!


If i have to keep it on manual mode just to keep it smooth then what's the point . . .
i'm sure it's not me that doesn't know how to drive it's the stupid computer not knowing when to shift making it such a harsh ride.... that's in slow stop and go traffic... don't get me wrong it's nice and smooth when u're driving normally

 

Amen Brotha!!

 

Wait, am I reading this right? Are there at least 2 MR owners (and a GSR owner) who agree with me on the insane lag from the MR's tranny?

All this time people said I was crazy or that the MR I test drove was a fluke! And I've been trying to find one to test drive ever since just to prove myself wrong.

The 335is that I have driven as well as the TL-S, Mini-S and Porsche 997 Targa S [pre-pdk] (of the ones I can remember) must not have had dual-clutch systems! They shifted with no lag at all and had none of the problems you describe dual-clutch systems as having. I should try out a VW or an Audi sometime. And while most of those cars were at best a 15 minute test drive. I track drove the Mini-S auto and drove it a significant amount of times over the course of a year.

 

yea i also have 0 lag too. and yes you have to learn how to drive this car and how and when to accelerate. it's harsh driving around slowly if you dont know how, but after 1400 miles on mine i've already figured out how it operates in normal mode. now for sport and supersport i'm going to wait til my first oil change...

and this tranny is an automated manual transmission, so in a sense yes it is an automatic. but people on here are missing the point that it's not like other standard "automatic" vehicles. i've learned that myself in the first couple hundred miles that it shifts incredibly different than one and to just bash that and say that it's just like any other automatic just proves your ignorance and unintelligence/unwillingness to accept new technologies because you're scared that they may be better than what you currently have.

it's like people bashing the wright brothers saying their airplanes wont work, but trounced anything in terms of speed in the years after that. it's also like saying my horse is the only thing that is acceptable so this new cotton fangled automobile scares me because it's so new and may work way better than my horsey (even though i wont admit it, i'll just bash those who have it).

 

OK, I'll acknowledge your post.

First of all, it's not an automatic. Guess what? It's not a manual either. It's a whole entire new class of transmission. But lets not split hairs here. Call it what you want. Call it an automatic, call it a sportstronic, I don't care. You and the other poster missed the point entirely.

The point was you NEED to be aware of how the transmission works to drive it correctly. You need to realize when the clutches engage and disengage, how they are triggered and how to get around it. And what happens during shifts.

I have 0 lag. NONE. You know why? Because I know how to control it. I guarantee if you treat it like an automatic and just hammer the pedal you are going to get lag. So instead of acting insane (doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results), try something else.

Here is a hint, the brake pedal % is a key to how the clutches engage and disengage.

Bryan from GST has a fix for some of these people that don't want to learn the tranny, and can tune out the lag. That is last resort. I say learn the tranny, how it works, and alter your driving. You don't drive it like a manual, and you don't drive it like an automatic. If you are, you are driving it wrong. That is all I have to say.

 

I know it has to do with the braking % coz it only happens in stop and go traffic... so many times i felt as if i got rear ended... the computer doesn't know when to shift and I feather the throttle or maybe i shouldn't lol...

honestly to me theres no difference between driving manual and automatic other then the shifting... my point is you're not suppose to mash the gas anywayz ...if u r then you don't know how to drive

oh another thing is the tranny can't even last 15min on the track without over heating and that is a major issue ... i never had any problems with automatics or manual