look at the source. Insideline is partial to pure sports cars. i doubt a Mitsu will ever win a comparo against BMW in MT, C&D.

 

No its not a haldex system. it uses a chain and clutch pack instead of a true center diff. JUST like the ATTESA system. depending on how much you apply/release that clutch you get 100% tq to the front wheels (clutch fully engaged) or 100% tq to the rear (clutch fully released). the GT-R is normally 0:100 and set to transfer only 50% tq to the front.

as for haldex, it acts as a link between front and rear axles where when the clutch is engaged, it transfers tq to the rear. afaik it cannot apply 100% tq to the rear.

neither can the evo, which is locked at 50:50. heck even subies have a rear tq bias. if it weren't for mitsu's great electronics, such as AYC, the evo's AWD system would be crap compared to xDrive, GT-R, quattro, etc.

 

I think you are placing too much emphasis on F/R torque split. It's the torque vectoring that makes for a performance AWD system which is why the EVO X is one of the best handling cars in the world. F/R torque split is more advantageous for all-weather handling. You can bias torque 80% to the rear wheels of the STI manually via DCCD and the car still understeers like a FWD car.

 

You must be drinking the good stuff.

We had that exact "crap" system on all 2005- 2006 Evos in the USA.

xDrive features open front AND rear differentials, controls excess spin on the sides by applying brakes, is designed for families to get from point A to point B safely in inclement weather, and is not even remotely performance oriented. The Evo AWD system even with its neutral F/R bias without SAYC (CT9A cars in the states) was infinitely better than crappy xDrive. Add in the SAYC, and the car rotates better than any BMW in existence minus the M3.

xDrive = performance fail. I'll take a RWD 335i everytime over an AWD one.

 

Thank you, glad I saw this post before I threw it up... I test-drove the 335xi in the snow and it was HORRIBLE... I did have an Audi TT which wasn't actually that bad, BUT was still inferior to the STi's rear bias and the vectoring of the Evo. If I had to choose, I would choose the torque vectoring for sure.

Unless you are rally racing on the gravel/snow, the Subaru DCCD is really useless (everyone and their dog knows you just leave it in Auto) so in essence it's pretty much the same electronic gadgetry of the Mitsu, but when you have the AYC and vectoring, now you have a real controllable slidable menace!

My only gripe to the Evo's torque vectoring is that it's a little slow to react... I find that if I'm not planning to force the system to vector (turning the wheel a little extra) by the time it kicks in to correct the understeer, I'm already out of shape on a fast sweeper.

Could be me not used to it, I don't know, but the overall package is the best of Audi/Subaru/BMW/etc....

And I have owned an 05 Sti as well.

 

'The 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR Touring is, well, an old man's Evo.'
Best quote in that article.

I remember when MR use to stand for Mitsubishi Racing.

 

Your IX MR is the same as the X MR. Different springs, upgraded wheels and brakes, & a 6th gear as the only things that differentiate it from the GSR so you must be referring to pre-VIII EVO's as the ones that stood for Mitsubishi Racing?

 

Actually, they are not the same at all. For instance the X MR has things like optional power sunroof (thereby deleting the aluminum roof), more acoustic insulation, a navigation system, and a trunk lid spoiler in the place of a rear wing. I think the articles author was pointing out how Mitsubishi moved away from rally bred performance and more towards an everyday driver. Thereby competing with the likes of BWM. Some may say thats a good move. Personally, I think the direction undermines the very essence of the MR badge.

Just look at the list of changes for the X MR and ask yourself if they increase or decrease overall performance/performance potential.

/shrug

 

Take this off topic stuff to the X vs IX thread, please.

 

You do know this is the X MR-T and not the normal MR.

 

http://www.driveperformancesubaru.co.../blueprint.asp

Here's more info on the Subaru DCCD.

It definitely still understeers, I owned an 05

 

This comparo is Apples to Oranges, not Apples to Apples... If they had the 335xi it would've gone past 50k which then there would be no reason to compare both, and they even mentioning how the Evo has better slalom numbers but they didn't push for it, hence it doing 69.9 instead of somewhere past 70 mph

 

F/R tq split PLUS tq vectoring rear diff is better than the static 50:50 plus AYC.

GT-R doesnt have AYC this generation, just a plain old 1.5 way rear LSD with OPEN front diff (R-34 did have AYC) yet that doesnt seem to stop it from being a great handling car.

lets all be honest here. since when was rear tq bias a bad thing? since our cars dont have it?

 

oh boy...

im NOT saying xDrive is a better system in its current usage. im saying its a better DESIGN because it CAN transfer tq front to rear. the 335xi is INTENTIONALLY dumbed down with no rear lsd and crappy suspension. if you take that design, slap on a rear LSD, and tune the electronics you basically get the GT-R ATTESA system. THAT imo is better than mitsu's S-AWC. ymmv.

the current use of xDrive in the 335xi? yes pure crap. but lets just recognize that it's BMW's intention for it to be that way... BMW has a wonderful tq biasing rear diff on the M3, they just refuse to let any of their other cars use it. they also have a new electronically controlled tq vectoring rear diff on the X6 M and X5 M, but they dont or havent used it in other cars yet. the technology is THERE, they just refuse to USE it due to marketing and product planning.

also we can ALL agree that the JDM IX with AYC is better than the USDM IX without it. the USDM IX had a BASIC AWD system. besides ACD, it's old school mechanical diffs and isnt really anything special. thats not to say it isnt fast, but lets be real. its very basic.

also once the STi gets tq vectoring like the rest of the world, the evo wont be so much "better" anymore. AYC is all the evo has going for it right now. lets all be realistic with that.

 

Good found!!