Lightest front mount intercooler and piping?
Apr 26, 2017, 11:55 AM
#16
Evolving Member
Yah, did you use a long screw driver to adjust them? (that was only to point at how much it adds weight to the front). My problem is our car already understeers, adding weight to the front will only make that worse.
Do we know it is a 15lb difference between factory and a 3.5" ETS FMIC?
Do we know it is a 15lb difference between factory and a 3.5" ETS FMIC?
I used a little 1/4" flex shaft and socket to pull mine around manually. Seemed easier than fighting with a screwdriver - had to pop the overflow out of the way real quick.
Until someone takes theirs off to weigh it we won't. One thing that I do know for a fact is that the stock IC weighs 10lb and according to FedEx my Sheepey weighed 28 to ship which theoretically adds ~18lb to the front - I don't fight any noticeable understeer during weekends at CMS, VIR, or AMP.
Which rear sway bar are you using and how stiff do you have the settings? Weight savings in the right place is important, but for now you might be barking up the wrong tree. Just my thoughts.
-asher
Apr 26, 2017, 01:02 PM
#17
Evolved Member
The stock Evolution X intercooler is sufficient for modest power levels and/or non-continuous (street) power demands.
Question: cast end tanks are usually heavier aren't they? Would there be any weight saving by cutting off the end tanks off a stock Evo X intercooler and using a welded aluminum plate end tanks? Obviously expensive to have someone else do it but if you can weld maybe there are some weight savings there?
Question: cast end tanks are usually heavier aren't they? Would there be any weight saving by cutting off the end tanks off a stock Evo X intercooler and using a welded aluminum plate end tanks? Obviously expensive to have someone else do it but if you can weld maybe there are some weight savings there?
Apr 26, 2017, 01:03 PM
#18
15# difference in insane. To your point that is also hanging off the front that literally one of the worst places for the extra weight.
As I said prior what youre after is a tube and fin core vs bar and plate. All the intercoolers are made from aluminum. Like I said Im not well versed on what's available for the X's but Im after the same thing on my car. ARC is hard to find especially without breaking the bank. HKS seems available but also very expensive. Blitz makes them for my car and theyre pretty affordable but Im not sure if theyre available for yours. I might pull the trigger on the Plazmaman unit but Im also doing my due diligence to see if I can find something else that'll fit the bill.
As I said prior what youre after is a tube and fin core vs bar and plate. All the intercoolers are made from aluminum. Like I said Im not well versed on what's available for the X's but Im after the same thing on my car. ARC is hard to find especially without breaking the bank. HKS seems available but also very expensive. Blitz makes them for my car and theyre pretty affordable but Im not sure if theyre available for yours. I might pull the trigger on the Plazmaman unit but Im also doing my due diligence to see if I can find something else that'll fit the bill.
Blitz does make them for the X, and I think nengun has them on sale right now.
I may be barking up the wrong tree, but not sure I fully buy adding weight to an already heavy car for a few hp. I've gotten rid of understeer before, but don't see a reason to add to it (though it may be minimal). The only real way to tell a difference is to run a factory FMIC and an aftermarket one back to back and see if there is a handling difference.
Apr 27, 2017, 08:47 AM
#19
Evolving Member
I may be barking up the wrong tree, but not sure I fully buy adding weight to an already heavy car for a few hp. I've gotten rid of understeer before, but don't see a reason to add to it (though it may be minimal). The only real way to tell a difference is to run a factory FMIC and an aftermarket one back to back and see if there is a handling difference.
True - seems like the stock intercooler will be hard to beat when it comes to weight though. 9.5-10lb intercooler that can support ~350whp is a feather.
Here's a little tidbit I pulled from the Evo X forums just for some info on ETS:
"It's hard to determine an intercooler design based on weight. Our intercooler I bet weighs in heavier on the core it self and lighter on the end tanks vs our competitors. Our competitors use cast end tanks where we hand fab and triangulate the end tanks. The core we use is very dense.
The 3.0" weighs in at 20lbs
The 3.5" weighs in at 22lbs
The 4.0" weighs in at 24lbs
Hope this helps!
ETS Michael"
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Apr 28, 2017, 07:21 AM
#20
Evolving Member
True - seems like the stock intercooler will be hard to beat when it comes to weight though. 9.5-10lb intercooler that can support ~350whp is a feather.
Here's a little tidbit I pulled from the Evo X forums just for some info on ETS:
"It's hard to determine an intercooler design based on weight. Our intercooler I bet weighs in heavier on the core it self and lighter on the end tanks vs our competitors. Our competitors use cast end tanks where we hand fab and triangulate the end tanks. The core we use is very dense.
The 3.0" weighs in at 20lbs
The 3.5" weighs in at 22lbs
The 4.0" weighs in at 24lbs
Hope this helps!
ETS Michael"
-asher
Here's a little tidbit I pulled from the Evo X forums just for some info on ETS:
"It's hard to determine an intercooler design based on weight. Our intercooler I bet weighs in heavier on the core it self and lighter on the end tanks vs our competitors. Our competitors use cast end tanks where we hand fab and triangulate the end tanks. The core we use is very dense.
The 3.0" weighs in at 20lbs
The 3.5" weighs in at 22lbs
The 4.0" weighs in at 24lbs
Hope this helps!
ETS Michael"
-asher
the stock one is good to 350 where the EST 3" is good to 700. If i ever get to that part in my build I don't think im going to worry about 10lbs.... however that's just me!
at the end of the day i would go with ETS...
AMS is also great and they are 5 mins from my house. However its all or nothing with them... meaning if its not all AMS then they wont even look at it or touch it. its all your wallet too!
AEM's is just like AMS's FMCI
Depo seems to be your best bet if you are looking for LB savings over power limits....
Sheepie is also a good rought
I think you should take the crash bar out of the front end. That would make up for the weight saving.
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