Stop Comparing The X To 135's, 335's, And Vettes!!!!!
 

I have to make this thread because its driving me crazy seeing people compare the evo X to these cars. Heres why:

BMW 135i- OK its in the 30's, but its 2 door and looks like a girls car. Lets be honest, every upper middle class girl in 12th grade is gonna have a 128i and it will be white and have a pink bow for graduation and this car will be the chick car of 2008/2009. Yes the 135i will be fast but its a bmw!!! the aftermarket world will not be as supportive and the car will be harder to work on considering its a 3.5 inline 6 twin turbo stuffed into a car the size of a miata. I dont mean to take away from this awesome car, but its gonna be the same thing i went through with my 2g dsm. "yea your car is turbo but 95% of people look at it as a chick car"

BMW 335i- OK you can get a base model for 40k. Find me a 6 spd 335i that DOESNT have a sport package. Not easy to find. Add sport and its around 45k. Add navi and its 49k. Make it a 6spd 335XI (awd) and find THAT non sport and its still 42k. Once you add the nice features to this car its 50k. Maybe you get a smokin deal and get it for 46-47 but most will pay 48 and above.

08 Vette- I love this car. The LS3 is a great engine. 440hp stock, 12.4@112 stock, keyless stock. AWESOME. BUT thats a base model LT1 package. no power seats, no navi, no nothing. You get a 6spd car with a cd player. Add Z51 so the car handles like it should, and your back up to 43k if you get some money off. I put deposits down at TWO dealers for a 08 Z51 LT3 package and the end price was 56k. After neither could get the car, I pulled out and never got one. This was back in october.



On top of all of that, people keep comparing the MSRP of the evo 10 to the DEALS they read about OTHER people getting on the competitors. Like no one will ever get $$ off the 10??? SOUTHCOAST will be whoring out evo X's just like they did on the 9's.

Ok rant over, flame suit on for the haters.

-Steve

nope you are right.

I've compared the X to the 9, Z06, 911, Lambo Murcioalphabet, Skyline, and a bunch of others....

















On Need For Speed Pro Street :-0
and it kicked the snot outta all of 'em, and is now my dedicated Grip car.
Of course it has 750hp, and stage 4 suspension.
Don't forget to tip your waitress, ladies and gentlemen... I'll be here all week.

Very true on all parts. Not gonna say you're wrong. I work for BMW and I will say the 135i may not be the most attractive car but it will be 300hp and it will come close to the X on handling. The 335i/xi is more comparable as far as power/handling. The price is cosiderably more but you also have heated seats, "free" maintenance, power everything, leather, premium sound, and a mean agressive look. You can compare those cars because they are the German counterparts.

Let's be honest. The interior on the Mitsu. is where a lot of people wanted the VIII and IX to be. But to charge 32-40K for levels of the X that are not nearly as luxurious as either BMW model even in their lowest forms.

And yes I do see a lot of 6 speed 335s that people own and/or have ordered in opposition to the X simply because of the above stated. $1600 for brakes all around and approx. $780 in other services. That pretty much makes up for the difference in price by itself. Plus the "name" of the manufacture has a lot to do with it.

As for the LS3 C6......that's a completely different animal. No back seat, N/A, Still GM style interior. The car is sick for performance and it's the best looking modern Vette yet. But I will never compare either car because they're just too different.

Not intended for argument. Just giving my $.02. There are a lot of aspects of the overall car that must be considered when comparing.

You might just say they are in the same ballpark.

Oh, and the Evo will be a more "tuner oriented"

But for comparison sake let's just stick to stock for stock.

I agree with this thread, but my biggest complaint has been with how many members on this forum have just simply nit picked the EVO X death. Seriously the car runs a couple tenths slower and traps a couple of mph slower and the car is slow. Give me a break, it may be slower (in a straight line) than the EVO IX, but that doesn't make it slow. Also so many people b*tch and complain about the weight, honestly I am also not a fan of weight gains on cars but it's not a deal breaker. Seriously if you were to average out all the new cars today, you most likely would see that the average car weighs in at right around 3500Lbs. I mean come on people get over it already, Nissan GT-R, BMW M3, BMW 335i, BMW M5, Infiniti G37 Coupe, 997 Turbo, and many more have all gained considerable weight over their predecessors. I know some of you may say, will all those cars also received considerable increases in horsepower/torque, true that is, but they also received considerable increases in pricing. So yes we could have a 350hp/350tq EVO X, but it would probably cost much more than $32,990. So what we got was a car that weighs more, with a modest bump in horsepower, and a very modest bump in price. Not so bad in my opinion considering, that that isn't all there is about the EVO X that makes it interesting, the same cannot be said of the EVO I through EVO IX. There is so much more about the EVO X, the technology that makes this car handle with the likes of super cars like Porches and Corvettes, an upgraded interior with options that so many of us EVO VIII and EVO IX b*tched about not having on our cars are now available with the EVO X. I just don't see how anybody could legitimately hate the EVO X, unless their insight is purely blinded by the love of the vehicle they currently own (EVO VIII or EVO IX).

All I want is a Honda Civic and a Sega Dreamcast!

yawn about the 335 part
if u bought a BMW before , u know u can always order it exactly as u like if u wait for its build date. ppl keeps saying 'hard to find a xxx w/o xxx package' are either
1. got price discount by buying extra package
2. dont wait to wait.
3. Got poisoned by salesmen or are salesmen

if u pay MSRP , u can order any basic car u want if u can wait for the build date.

3000ways: I'm a IX fanboy through and through, but imagine you're reading through someone else's eyes.

In that sentence alone you've said the car weighs more and runs a little slower in a straight line. Now take that logic and compare it to the people that point out "evolution means change," and ask yourself if this is enough change to convince Evo lovers/fanboys to essentially downgrade to the X?

Mitsubishi's changes were done to save money and cut down on emissions, both understandable from a business standpoint. For a purist, however, the change should have been made to significantly improve performance. From early runs we've seen, the X has gotten it's ass handed to it by both an STi and a IX. Again, why should I downgrade?

I have no doubt the X will perform well and be enjoyed by a whole new generation, but the reason for complaints stems from the lack of actual improvements. They can keep the 6 CD changer, the nav system, and that damned 4B (the primary reasons for comparisons to BMW)...give me a car that handles and performs ten times better than the previous generation, and I'm sold.

You see that is my point. You say down grade from a IX to a X:confused: The EVO X is a little slower in a straight line so that makes it a down grade:confused: My point is that there is much more to the EVO X than just straight line acceleration and it surely isn't a downgrade at all when you throw in the complete package. Seriously if you are interested in building a race car, then keep your IX and VIII, they are perfectly capable of destroying opponents for many years to come, but the EVO X is for the EVO lover who not only cares about performance but other aspects of a vehicle. Also and maybe I am in the minority, but I don't think a car that does 0-60 in 4.9 to 5.1 Seconds, does the 1/4 Mile in 13.6 to 13.8 Seconds, Slaloms 70mph+, stops at 112ft from 60 mph, and lays down skidpad numbers of .98g and better, is lacking in performance. Sure some of those figures may be less than the EVO IX, but then again throw in the complete package and you see the EVO X isn't that bad of a car at all, and perhaps maybe not everybody in this world who buys a vehicle judges it purely on a couple of tenths through the 1/4 mile and 0-60.

I fail to see how mitsubishi saved costs on the evo x. If anything there profit margin on the IX was much better, it had way less safety equipment, no AYC, smaller rims/tires, etc.

Exactly my point, there is just much more to a EVO X to consider it a down grade, infact priced at $32,990 is like a bargain if you ask me. Also here is my analogy to explain why I just find so many faults with EVO X haters arguments. To me the EVO IX is like a star college wide receiver who enters the NFL. Upon entering the draft, he is clocked in the 40 yard dash at 4.31 seconds, weighs in at 183Lbs, and has very good hands. This star receiver though needs to work a little on his route running and down field blocking. He also could use a little more bulk. Great potential in this receiver, but still a little raw. Through the years this receiver game increases and he has become an all around better receiver. He has bulked up to 220Lbs and his down field blocking gives nightmares to defensive backs. His route running is awesome and is no longer just considered a deep threat, and his hands have improved even more to where he is one of the most reliable receivers on his team. Yet with older age and increased bulk, his 40 yard dash time is 4.48 seconds now, still fast, but nearly as deadly quick as before. You see if this receiver was a EVO X, so many on this forum would find faults solely on the basis on his slower speed, when so much more about this receiver has improved and he has become a more complete package. Could he or the EVO X improve even more, of course, but just because he is a little slower doesn't mean his complete game hasn't improved and I would not consider his evolution of receiving skills a down grade only because he doesn't run a 4.31 second 40 yard dash anymore.

^ Very good analogy. I think since TAS 2008 most haters have all but shut up.

I admit saying "downgrade" sounds like fighting words, but overall my point is that there are not enough benefits for many of us. As you suggested, I will keep my IX. I'm only speaking for myself (and anyone else that happens to agree) and in no way telling you how YOU should think. If the safety features/accessories of the X make it a worthy purchase for you, then congrats! For some of us, improvements should have been made elsewhere.

And while many reviews say the X goes around a corner faster than a IX, we've seen video of a X getting its butt kicked. Sure, one race might not enough to make any accurate judgements, but at the same time it lessens my interest in the vehicle even further.

And as a side note, the 32,990 price is devoid of all accessories if I'm not mistaken (which are a few of the biggest reasons to like the X).

how do you know the 135i is going to handle as good as the x? It hasent even been tested yet, keyboard racers

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If it were a tenth of a second faster than the IX (or STI), everyone would be crowing about how the X was faster than the IX (or STI). So when it's a fraction of a second slower, suddenly it's "but that doesn't make it slow." :lol: Live by the magazine test, die by the magazine test. :beer: