2002 to 2006 Lancer Turbo's W/Automatics that tune their own ECU's
 

I know there are a decent amount of us base model lancer guys with automatics that have added turbo's. I have already searched throughout the forums and have yet to find anything related to what I'm looking for. That being said, and saving myself the sanity of trying to ask every auto lancer guy here separately, I'll ask it generally and see if it draws out one of us that may be able to help...:mitsu:

What I'm looking for is if anyone with an auto thats turbo'd and tunes their own ECU's, regarding their shift points (SHIFT PRESSURE). Anyone thats looks into their own roms knows we have the ability to manipulate values in our automatic tranny's.

My tranny is actually in great condition, but since I shift manually with my selector, and plan soon to install a ratchet shifter, I would like to be able to make the adjustments in the rom to make the shifts themselves more responsive.

shifting from 1st to 2nd is already good, but 2nd to 3rd is actually the slowest. I move the selector from 2nd to 3rd and it can be a delay sometimes of 2 seconds before the gear itself actually grabs into 3rd which is kinda lame. and 3rd to 4th or drive, is close to the same.

Any Idea's/help will be awesome. And of course if one of you actually have gone in there and actually made changes that have had positive results and would be willing to help out myself and even others. Please comment here. Thanks{thumbup}

Anyone? lol

Hmm thats weird mine is very very fast to shift into the next gear but i did notice that at the factory rev limiter it does shift slow I rev mine to 6800 and shifts nicely with the stock values for it .
There is a slight delay to respond maybe half a second but it does not delay the actual shift from gear to gear just my command to it .

Mine shifts tighter too if I'm at a higher RPM. Just not say around 4000rpm or less. Way more delayed at those RPM's . Thats why I'm hoping one of us Auto guys has messed with the values in their ROM to tighten up the pressure values. And if they have what the trim settings were, That way I could have something to work off of. Our Auto's are not nearly as talked about/discussed in forum. It may be something we just have to deal with. But I do think since we do have the ability to change values for our tranny in our roms, there is hopefully someone thats tapped into it that all of us can benefit from. Not just having it be responsive in high RPM's, but all. :)

Truthfully i have always thought my trans is perfect always very smooth fast shifts no matter what Rpm . I can post a video so that you can compare . I have always changed my trans fluid at 15000k

Not sure changing it every 15000 is needed, but at the same time, it can't hurt it {thumbup}
I did just flush mine about 3000 miles ago. So I'm good there. I did just think about this though. The EVO 7 had a decent amount of Auto Versions which also happens to be what my Speed Density ROM was based off of, and Maybe someone that owns one of those may chime in. I still say someone here has delved into that portion of their ROM with positive results thats willing to share with the rest of us. A video would be fine. :mitsu:

I'm auto but have never looked into the shifting points.

Me either. Since nothing was known really on a desired number I've never messed with it. I have been curious though.

I am very curious.... :D The one main reason I wanna get it figured out is, when its cold...(tranny). It has a tendency to be real jerky til its warmed up and once its fully warmed up it loses a little to much of its response. Actually an additional tranny cooler may help with it once its warmed up, but still want to fine tune it just like we do our engine mods. I want to get the most out of my cars ability with what I have up to this point. :mitsu:

I'm surprised that 02-lancer isn't changed with the way he rips down the track.

LOL...Well I might just have to Ginny-Pig myself and just mess around with very small changes in shift pressures and see what happens. And if I find something valuable that could benefit us, I'll definitely be sharing it. {thumbup}

I've already confirmed they work.

Just ignore 5th gear thats just a sloppy copy and paste on my part.

As for the shift maps the units are in relation to output shaft speed the default and table are basically unknown for changing shift points but i have some theories.

I can tell from the code that between the 4 map sets (shift maps 1-4) that 1 and 3 are related and 2 and 4 are related.

The transmission logic is called INVECS which has a way of determining via input if the driver is aggressive, if it should brake going downhill, and downshift while uphill etc which is probably why there are 4 sets of maps which it interpolates from.

The maps are definitely setup to switch between 2 variables. In one variable the maps go from 1 and 3 to map set 2 and 4 depending if its set or not. The next one determines within those maps if 1-4 is used or 5-8. One of the variables is likely the brake switch. The other could be an incline/decline switch for downhill shifting.

The left hand side of the maps is throttle position most likely in volts and the right hand side is the output shaft speed in some hz measurement most likely.

Each set of shift point maps is in a set of 2 1-4 being a set and 5-8 being a set which are switched via some method. I'm not positive but for maps sets 2 and 4 the load may be something other than the throttle plate like brake pressure or maybe the incline switch is variable.

Each set of maps should relate to the four gears. Gear 1 being map 1 and 5, Gear 2 being 2 and 6, and so on. These tables may be minimum and maximum shaft speed ranges before the the car downshifts or upshift but that is unknown. It will take testing to find out which map set is currently enabled. I would start with gear 1 and set it to a high value, whatever the max of that table is and see how it responds to gas input, braking. Then we can by assumption find out where the incline/decline values are.

Sweet.... I do remember a mention on this in your big maps for our auto's thread, Aaron from ER actually had questions related to it as well, since they are working on their auto evo's for racing, but in my last conversation with him, he had yet delved into it.

Ok...so I will test this out over the weekend. I like your test idea, cause it should give us a little incite as to where to go from there. I do honestly believe if this untapped area, (at least as far as i can find) can be helpful....{thumbup}

The oil cooler deff helps out alot!

I actually thinking oil and tranny cooler. Both would probably be a +

Oil cooler would be dope. One on each side of the bumper vent.

Yeah that would be pretty sweet. Oil cooler on one side...Tranny cooler on the other. Its crazy how fast things can add up too when it comes to adding a turbo to our cars...Always seems like there is a legitimate mod we can add that will benefit our rides. So much I wanna do...lol. Its never ending and so addicting at the same time :)

I havent done a oil cooler but it has crossed my mind .
The trans cooler deff helps out alot thought !

You running with a tranny cooler? Any particular brand? I looked at a couple at the auto parts stores around here. They aren't anything super special. But at the same time, if I'm gonna get one, I do wanna make sure I'm spending my money wisely. The product needs to be efficient for the money. {thumbup}

Look at the last pages of my thread. See if you like that option. It's unique if you ask me...

Which thread specifically?

My build thread.

Just found it :)

Update..... I did a little messing around just in the shift values. Saw a little + in doing so. But that of course is only one portion of all what seems to be a lot more in there I can can be tested. I'm gonna slowly test every aspect of all the settings...Pressure/shift points and shift maps. Once I get it dialed in, I'll share pics with this as well showing what my map values had before I started and then pics of what the final result was. I'll give as much detail of course so anyone else that may be interested in fine tuning their auto tranny, will have as much as possible to try it out themselves.

i got a tranny cooler as well...ebay one.

*****UPDATE***** So after going through the entire tanny portion of my rom, I noticed it had been really modded from what the base values of what the SD rom was preloaded with on the roms RS had uploaded for us. So I've started over and reset everyone of those values to what his rom had and will be working from there....Gotta say, already after setting the values back have improved, but still know it can be slightly improved depending on how you plan on running your car. Whether it be as a DD or on the Track. My main reason for doing this is, I want to keep it as a DD of course but plan on modifying it to run a B&M ratchet shifter and want it to shift instantly or within milliseconds of it anyway :) ....

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So you'll see here, the above 2 pics are what I had in just my 1st to 2nd pressure map and 2nd to 1st duty cycle map. Those where the values I was trying to work with to start my testing, and were pulled of my rom before I even began looking into what I could do to make it better. Not sure why the values had been changed so drastically and put at 255 1/3rd across the map. I now know why when my car was cold it damn near jerked my tranny out from underneath me...lol The ones below are the base values in RS's Big Maps SD. SO setting it back to those seemed of course to be the best method to work out from. After doing so, I saw an instant improvement. No longer jerks when cold nor slips once warm, which it did on hot days after the car was at full temps......I'll fill in more throughout the week and to this weekend as I see what the results are :) Now its time to get some results building it from what I would consider the beginning :)

Looking for an original copy of a 2002-2003 automatic lancer hex file if anyone has one. Not sure if the 2004-2006 are the same, but one of those might work as well. I never had a chance to get a copy of mine since I had mine tuned before getting my tactrix cable. Wanna compare the tranny values to the big maps files RS got setup for us. if you do, you can email it to me. PM me if have one..... THX in advance :)

You should be careful with your e-mail on the internet ;) Just have them PM you for it. :)

didnt even yhink about that, lol thx

Yeah might seem safe but I've seen accounts hacked before. Not on this site but it happened to a family member.

So Grind3r did you get a copy of an original hex file?

Not yet. Thinking about going to a local used car dealership to get one......There are a couple around here that have auto lancers for sale. Thinking I might be able to talk one of them into letting me pull a copy off one...lol

Save the hassle. Send me your email by PM and I will send you mine.

PM sent

Replacing my front and rear motor mounts today.....shoulda figured with the added hp and trq they were bound to go bad :( my guess though after looking at them, that they are the original mounts...lol

Good luck. I heard the front can be a ***** to get in but the rear is a beast

Speaking of engine damping has anyone considered using a mirage engine damper?

Do they even work or just a cool look at me part?

Decided I'd throw up some updated pics of my Lancer....Blacked out the Intercooler and modified the lip so the entire Intercooler receives clean air and reconfigured the intake piping a little to clean things up after moving the battery to the trunk

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old.. but..


WAHT!??!?@ front is easy as cake.. its 3x 19mm bolts for the crossmember. and 1 14mm bolt holding the mount... and it falls out.. then 2 14mm bolts holding it only the crossmember. basic wrenches work. takes me less then 10 minutes to replace.. and thats bcause i lose my tools.

I'm sure it's an easy out. I've heard people having a hard time getting those back in. Something about bolts not lining up.

LOL...ya it was a quick swap out. Wasnt hard at all. :)

Well there hasn't been much going on lately around here in the lancer portion of the forums....Hope everyone is doing well, and Hope you all have a great Holidays and on into the New Year :)

The latest addition for my Lancer......ETS Intercooler that I picked up today for $150 from a guy parting out his kit.... It'll fit perfect without having to remove my crash bar. Now I can finally get rid of the cheap as eBay one I have on there now.... :)

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Nice ic core bro..you need a new manifold to go with it:)

ETS Intercooler has been installed......Now I need to wash the car and get all the muddy hand prints off it...lol

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Here's a better pic

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Looks killer man. :)

I just made 256whp and 268 tq stock block :)
Ill post a video later :)

Def post a video.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/la...l#post10592385

Heres the video :)

Whoa! those numbers are really impressive! Good job!

I realize this is only a virtual dyno pull.....But this does let me know all the tuning I did on my own and the upgrades I did since the initial tune back in last June, I've made positive progress .... Now I need to look into getting in on one of the Dyno days here at English Racing and see how close this is to a few pulls there.... :) Either way, this is better than 167whp/179wtq I started with




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Newest addition to the Lancer.....Tial Q with a SS ETS welded BOV flange

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Make a thread in the for sale section. I might be interested in a few parts if you are looking to part it out {thumbup} Let me know what you have available.

Just ordered some Megan Racing Street Series Coilovers.... MR-CDK-ML02 Cant wait to get these and get them on my ride :)

Look What Just Arrived VIA FedEx :)

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Nice, I think its about time to try your hand at some autox.

very nicee, how much were they?

$800 total... shipped from Megan Racing {thumbup}

Great price! I'd consider those if I hadn't hadn't sworn off spending more money.

LOL...we all say that, and end up breaking down and buying more upgrades when we suddenly get the itch :lol:

So the coilovers are in...the install was pretty much painless...only had one bolt/nut that gave me a little hassle to break loose, but all in all smooth....2 1/2 hours which included setting the ride height afterwords....here are a few pics. Gotta say, its like night and day in ride/performance difference.

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does anyone know where or what line to hook a blow off valve to. Thanks
2002 lancer oz-t

Did you need a camber kit becaduse of the drop?

The front have built in camber adjustment...I can buy a kit for the back for around $200, but the rear camber really didnt go out enough to need it