RS check out my logs:

COLD START AFTER STARTUP TABLE CHANGES (IPW and ENRICHMENT)




HOT STARTUP:



Again this is changes made to IPW vs coolant temp and enrichment tables as well, still the same hesitant, cranking starts. Cold starts however seem to be less "cammed feeling" but nothing changed on the warm starts as you can see. No matter what i input into the IPW vs coolant temp, only 10.75ms shows on the logs still. And after cranking for 5 or 6 seconds, i always get some smoke, light blue, if you smell it, its PURE gas, so im not sure whats goin on

Also, WB read 14.1 when cranking

 

One thing that really helps me, click the second row (the entire row, by clicking the 2) in openoffice calc, and then choose "Window" menu, and click "Freeze". That will lock the first row that describes each column so it always shows. It's really nice to see, because I can't tell what's what without guessing, since I re-order all my stuff.

 

I didnt know that lol But from left to right it is:

logID, Log entry date, Log entry time, Log entry seconds, TPS, RPM, COOLANT TEMP, BATTERY, AIR TEMP, TIMING ADV, IPW, IDC

 

I wonder if there is a sort of maximum ipw value its allowed to use on the rom.

Sadly this is something MrFred knows a lot better than i do.

When I get home I'll see what i can dig up. You may want to try decreasing the ipw rather than increasing it if its running rich.

I can think of another trick to make this work even if we can't access the table right now. Currently you start with about 11 volts of battery if you decrease the injector latency in that area it will decrease the fuel to the motor when its starting it may help you out.

 

So you think im getting too much fuel on the hot starts?? ill try decreasing the battery latency in that area of volts and see if it helps out. Thanks RS!

** at 11.72V latency was 0.948 i changed to 0.720 and ill give it a shot when i leave work today

 

This was a semi warm start on my car

 

Wow!! look at the difference! 68 IPW starting! mine seems stuck at 10.75 IPW!!! maybe im not getting enough fuel at all, and the smoke (gas) is just the result of not enough fuel and too much air, rather than too much fuel and not enough air. hmmm... but why at cold i can get up to 40 or 50 IPW but fully warm or even a little warm, i cant break the 10.75- 11.01 IPW, our timing looks the same, about 5-7 hmm

 

Maybe I can get the guy at work to crank his car hot once, on his stock lancer once...that would help for comparison as well. Like, see if it's that "thick" for a moment as well.

 

Yes! that would be awesome! i think it is suppost to be like RS was saying "that first shot of gas to get the car started" i think i need that, but cant figure out how to do it yet

EDIT:: Your airflow is also diff than mine too, at 11.01 IPW on your log your at like 93hz, im at 31hz.

 

the 93hz represents 1000rpm of engine speed it means it started don't worry about that piece

 

Gotcha!

 

Could be as simple as a table that prevents it via the coolant temp but i wont really know until i'm home.

 

Ok, let me know if you dig anything up RS, really appreciate your input and help! im going to log the car tomorro morning with the changed injector latency at 11.75v and see if that helps any as well!

 

Well I went through the routine but there is just too many variables which i don't know so its hard to make some accurate comparisons.

I did notice something i didn't before though. The Evo's base injector latency is much different that the base lancers base evo is like 0x18 and the base lancer 0xF.

Also there is no direct turn off to the engine cranking IPW from what i can see but there is just some kind of engine status ram segment that determines if the table uses. It switches between the one from cranking ipw to one that is based off of the limp home table.

I've double checked all the tables and they appear to be in the right place as a regular evo rom but the values for limp home and injector latency are different.

My guess is if the initial cranking ipw won't make a different the limp home table will. You may try just dumping the 9417 rom values into the latency base and the limp home table just for kicks you can always change them back if something weird happens.

 

Ok, so first, i did try reducing the injector latency value in the 11.75V and it didnt seem to do much unfortunatly :-( So whats the "limp home"? i see that table in my rom, but what exactly does that control, i noticed it was TPS volts and RPM? Also where can i find those values from the 9417 ROM, does anyone have have that rom so i can look at these values?

About the lancer base latency, mine is set at 000F hex, is that the same when you say 0xF?