which car would be a better to get?!
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which car would be a better to get?!
I think ive decided not to put that many major investments into my lancer es and hope to keep it as a daily driver. Even with what people say, i really like the hyundai tiburon gt. My other choice is the mighty RSX type S. Hands down the RSX would spank the tirburon but ive seen videos of supercharged/turbocharged tibby's put hold it down spankin srt4 drivers n whatnot. With both cars fully decked out with exactly what i want...the acura costs 3-4 thousand more. The RSX gets better milage too! gah...damn that underpowered v6. I prefer the styling of the Tibby over the RSX. So....suggestions?! Dont say the rsx jus cuz its speed... lol
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well honestly i feel like staying away from turbo....yes yes start throwing the holy water on me. So the wrx and srt-4 are out of the question. Plus...everyone has them here in san antonio,tx...literally. But uh....now that i said that....ignore the supercharged tiburon statement lol
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If re-sale value is not big of a deal to you, get the Hyundai since you seem to lean towards it...It's covered with good warranty to start with, so that kind of compensate for the slight disadvantage in the reliability side of it.
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Originally Posted by FlipBoiFlava242
well honestly i feel like staying away from turbo....yes yes start throwing the holy water on me. So the wrx and srt-4 are out of the question. Plus...everyone has them here in san antonio,tx...literally. But uh....now that i said that....ignore the supercharged tiburon statement lol
why do you want to stay away from turbo??? They give free power and are 100% as reliable as anything n/a. Unless your preference is just to have less power for some reason
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Originally Posted by loj68
why do you want to stay away from turbo??? They give free power and are 100% as reliable as anything n/a. Unless your preference is just to have less power for some reason
N/A seems to lack the inherent grenade problems. Although yes, at higher HP needs NA does become quite a bit harder to tune (if not impossible). For example, Lancers, NA can get the same gains as a stage 1 turbo quite nicely (and if you're into the DIY it can be quite cheap). NA also shows a wider range of tuning to operate (not necessarily effectively, but sloppily tuned NA engine will still run). It would be nearly impossible to get the same NA gains as 15psi boost (again, if not properly tuned 15PSI boost will leave your engine in such a state that riding the neighbor kid's tricycle will be your next wheeled option)
Also, staying NA is a requirement for many autocross clubs- once you add a turbo, not matter how small, most clubs bump you into some form of race prepped class. And unless you're ready to race with some real big boys (Porsche GT3's, RSA's, track built 1969 Camaro, Vette's etc) adding turbo won't add any fun to your AX day.
If I were the author of the thread, I'd take a look at the forums for each car and based on mod availability and cost decide on which car will get me where I want to go.
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Originally Posted by FlipBoiFlava242
but doesnt turbo still lessen the overall life of the engine?
not these days. If you buy a car like my Mazdaspeed or the SRT-4 which run relatively low boost they'll run forever like anything else. If you wick up the boost then you might have probs but keeping a factory turbo car stock shouldn't give you any problems.
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There's no such thing as "free power" unless the laws of thermodynamics have been rewritten since I was in college. Turbos do shorten the lifespan of the engine. and depending on boost and other tuning, you might not get an hour out of an improperly tuned turbo engine. Turbos create a lot of heat. A LOT. so much that my desktop picture is of a glowing red hot (and yellow in a couple spots) turbo after 30 minutes of spirited canyon runs (according to the author of the thread).
N/A seems to lack the inherent grenade problems. Although yes, at higher HP needs NA does become quite a bit harder to tune (if not impossible). For example, Lancers, NA can get the same gains as a stage 1 turbo quite nicely (and if you're into the DIY it can be quite cheap). NA also shows a wider range of tuning to operate (not necessarily effectively, but sloppily tuned NA engine will still run). It would be nearly impossible to get the same NA gains as 15psi boost (again, if not properly tuned 15PSI boost will leave your engine in such a state that riding the neighbor kid's tricycle will be your next wheeled option)
Also, staying NA is a requirement for many autocross clubs- once you add a turbo, not matter how small, most clubs bump you into some form of race prepped class. And unless you're ready to race with some real big boys (Porsche GT3's, RSA's, track built 1969 Camaro, Vette's etc) adding turbo won't add any fun to your AX day.
If I were the author of the thread, I'd take a look at the forums for each car and based on mod availability and cost decide on which car will get me where I want to go.
N/A seems to lack the inherent grenade problems. Although yes, at higher HP needs NA does become quite a bit harder to tune (if not impossible). For example, Lancers, NA can get the same gains as a stage 1 turbo quite nicely (and if you're into the DIY it can be quite cheap). NA also shows a wider range of tuning to operate (not necessarily effectively, but sloppily tuned NA engine will still run). It would be nearly impossible to get the same NA gains as 15psi boost (again, if not properly tuned 15PSI boost will leave your engine in such a state that riding the neighbor kid's tricycle will be your next wheeled option)
Also, staying NA is a requirement for many autocross clubs- once you add a turbo, not matter how small, most clubs bump you into some form of race prepped class. And unless you're ready to race with some real big boys (Porsche GT3's, RSA's, track built 1969 Camaro, Vette's etc) adding turbo won't add any fun to your AX day.
If I were the author of the thread, I'd take a look at the forums for each car and based on mod availability and cost decide on which car will get me where I want to go.
by "free" horsepower I was referring to the fact that turbo's are driven by exhaust gases so all of the performance gains don't come at the cost of taxing the engine like supercharging. Also, for Auto-X racing if you have a car that comes with a factory turbo they have classes for that so it's not an issue.
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There's no such thing as "free power" unless the laws of thermodynamics have been rewritten since I was in college. Turbos do shorten the lifespan of the engine. and depending on boost and other tuning, you might not get an hour out of an improperly tuned turbo engine. Turbos create a lot of heat. A LOT. so much that my desktop picture is of a glowing red hot (and yellow in a couple spots) turbo after 30 minutes of spirited canyon runs (according to the author of the thread).
N/A seems to lack the inherent grenade problems. Although yes, at higher HP needs NA does become quite a bit harder to tune (if not impossible). For example, Lancers, NA can get the same gains as a stage 1 turbo quite nicely (and if you're into the DIY it can be quite cheap). NA also shows a wider range of tuning to operate (not necessarily effectively, but sloppily tuned NA engine will still run). It would be nearly impossible to get the same NA gains as 15psi boost (again, if not properly tuned 15PSI boost will leave your engine in such a state that riding the neighbor kid's tricycle will be your next wheeled option)
Also, staying NA is a requirement for many autocross clubs- once you add a turbo, not matter how small, most clubs bump you into some form of race prepped class. And unless you're ready to race with some real big boys (Porsche GT3's, RSA's, track built 1969 Camaro, Vette's etc) adding turbo won't add any fun to your AX day.
If I were the author of the thread, I'd take a look at the forums for each car and based on mod availability and cost decide on which car will get me where I want to go.
N/A seems to lack the inherent grenade problems. Although yes, at higher HP needs NA does become quite a bit harder to tune (if not impossible). For example, Lancers, NA can get the same gains as a stage 1 turbo quite nicely (and if you're into the DIY it can be quite cheap). NA also shows a wider range of tuning to operate (not necessarily effectively, but sloppily tuned NA engine will still run). It would be nearly impossible to get the same NA gains as 15psi boost (again, if not properly tuned 15PSI boost will leave your engine in such a state that riding the neighbor kid's tricycle will be your next wheeled option)
Also, staying NA is a requirement for many autocross clubs- once you add a turbo, not matter how small, most clubs bump you into some form of race prepped class. And unless you're ready to race with some real big boys (Porsche GT3's, RSA's, track built 1969 Camaro, Vette's etc) adding turbo won't add any fun to your AX day.
If I were the author of the thread, I'd take a look at the forums for each car and based on mod availability and cost decide on which car will get me where I want to go.
All those long haul diesels will be very shocked to here turbos are unreliable.
FlipBoiFlava242-
But why are you adverse to good factory turbos when you seem to want a aftermarket supercharger for the tibby. BTW, adding a supercharger to the tib would kill its one true advantage the warrantee
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Not everybody wants a SRT-4, he asked about two cars the RSX Type S and Tiburon, so stay on topic. I think it's better for you to go with your gut feeling, it seems to me that you favor the Tiburon over the RSX Type S, then that should be your choice. If you buy the RSX Type S you may end up just regreting it and comparing it to the Tiburon all the time, because the Tiburon is what you wanted in the first place.
My opinion on the two is that the RSX Type S is the better of the two cars, I believe it is a better all around vehicle stock and has more (maybe more expensive) of an aftermarket following. I realize their are some parts for the Tiburon, such as force induction. Still there are more options for the RSX Type S that allows you to pick and choose, try different combinations, try to get the most out of your car. The RSX Type S is capable of running 12s with forced induction, while I haven't heard of a newer Tiburon hitting 12s yet (Ok I'm talking about your average tuning for both cars, not some twin engine methanol running project car running 10s or etc.). Still the Tiburon has started to come on strong lately, and is still a sleeper to many. So the Tiburon is not a bad choice at all either.
My opinion on the two is that the RSX Type S is the better of the two cars, I believe it is a better all around vehicle stock and has more (maybe more expensive) of an aftermarket following. I realize their are some parts for the Tiburon, such as force induction. Still there are more options for the RSX Type S that allows you to pick and choose, try different combinations, try to get the most out of your car. The RSX Type S is capable of running 12s with forced induction, while I haven't heard of a newer Tiburon hitting 12s yet (Ok I'm talking about your average tuning for both cars, not some twin engine methanol running project car running 10s or etc.). Still the Tiburon has started to come on strong lately, and is still a sleeper to many. So the Tiburon is not a bad choice at all either.
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
Not everybody wants a SRT-4, he asked about two cars the RSX Type S and Tiburon, so stay on topic. I think it's better for you to go with your gut feeling, it seems to me that you favor the Tiburon over the RSX Type S, then that should be your choice. If you buy the RSX Type S you may end up just regreting it and comparing it to the Tiburon all the time, because the Tiburon is what you wanted in the first place.
My opinion on the two is that the RSX Type S is the better of the two cars, I believe it is a better all around vehicle stock and has more (maybe more expensive) of an aftermarket following. I realize their are some parts for the Tiburon, such as force induction. Still there are more options for the RSX Type S that allows you to pick and choose, try different combinations, try to get the most out of your car. The RSX Type S is capable of running 12s with forced induction, while I haven't heard of a newer Tiburon hitting 12s yet (Ok I'm talking about your average tuning for both cars, not some twin engine methanol running project car running 10s or etc.). Still the Tiburon has started to come on strong lately, and is still a sleeper to many. So the Tiburon is not a bad choice at all either.
My opinion on the two is that the RSX Type S is the better of the two cars, I believe it is a better all around vehicle stock and has more (maybe more expensive) of an aftermarket following. I realize their are some parts for the Tiburon, such as force induction. Still there are more options for the RSX Type S that allows you to pick and choose, try different combinations, try to get the most out of your car. The RSX Type S is capable of running 12s with forced induction, while I haven't heard of a newer Tiburon hitting 12s yet (Ok I'm talking about your average tuning for both cars, not some twin engine methanol running project car running 10s or etc.). Still the Tiburon has started to come on strong lately, and is still a sleeper to many. So the Tiburon is not a bad choice at all either.
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
Not everybody wants a SRT-4, he asked about two cars the RSX Type S and Tiburon, so stay on topic.
nobody told him to buy an SRT-4.....I mentioned it along with my other turbo car as examples of factory turbo cars with no reliability issues. When someone is going to buy a car and not consider an entire segment because of misconceptions I think it's prudent we try to enlighten them. Whenever someone wants a performance car and then proposes to spend more $$$ for less performance......I always question "why". If it's just personal preference that's fine but that wasn't the answer given.