Updates on the BMW 335i
335i is still the better car...
the evo is the better race car...
who really wants to race all the time? i cant afford a 50k car, i dont want to live and work for a car. a car is a luxury, enjoying my time spending money and going out is life..
the evo is the better race car...
who really wants to race all the time? i cant afford a 50k car, i dont want to live and work for a car. a car is a luxury, enjoying my time spending money and going out is life..
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haha.. yeah, but I must say there is no other cougar hunter like the vette. 
I really like the 335I.. really nice package, but I guess It was one of those too good to be true cars. Its making power yes.. but its not enough power to overcome luxury weight... its not like the 650+ft/lbs of tq the E55 can make with a few mods.
I really like the 335I.. really nice package, but I guess It was one of those too good to be true cars. Its making power yes.. but its not enough power to overcome luxury weight... its not like the 650+ft/lbs of tq the E55 can make with a few mods.
I went for a long test drive this past Saturday on a sedan 335i with steptronic. Even though I told the salesman that I wasn't interested on the automatic car test drive I went ahead and I drove it.
I can only say that I am very very very impressed with the power displayed. This car is very very fast and the shifting is awesome.
For the last 5-6 weeks I spent huge amounts of time search and buying all kinds of car magazine on the 335I. This car is a winner.
I found on a spanish magazine(Autopista) that the car put 331 crank HP, that the same car was only one second behind a European 300hp WRXSTI and a Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII on numburbrig (I know I did not said it right).
I also found a long video in which the chief BMW engineer explain why they chose the small Mitsubishi turbos over a mids size turbos which they managed to created already monstruous whp/tq.
BMW policy at this time is no turbolag and that is why the small turbos were fitted on this engine. Dual vanos does the rest.
This 335i pulls 3 seconds average from 50-75 on 4th, 5th and 6th gear roll acceleration on a M-3.
Truly impressive car. The braking is awesome despite having a massive single caliper with astronomical 13.7" F and 13.4 "rotors.
You must drive this car before speculating. By the way, I have to tell you guys in another topic how was my 15 miles test drive on a 07 C6 Z06.
Here is my smack, enjoy the data:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/pruebas/BMW-335i-10-2006-18608.html
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=487005
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=491868
Carlos
I can only say that I am very very very impressed with the power displayed. This car is very very fast and the shifting is awesome.
For the last 5-6 weeks I spent huge amounts of time search and buying all kinds of car magazine on the 335I. This car is a winner.
I found on a spanish magazine(Autopista) that the car put 331 crank HP, that the same car was only one second behind a European 300hp WRXSTI and a Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII on numburbrig (I know I did not said it right).
I also found a long video in which the chief BMW engineer explain why they chose the small Mitsubishi turbos over a mids size turbos which they managed to created already monstruous whp/tq.
BMW policy at this time is no turbolag and that is why the small turbos were fitted on this engine. Dual vanos does the rest.
This 335i pulls 3 seconds average from 50-75 on 4th, 5th and 6th gear roll acceleration on a M-3.
Truly impressive car. The braking is awesome despite having a massive single caliper with astronomical 13.7" F and 13.4 "rotors.
You must drive this car before speculating. By the way, I have to tell you guys in another topic how was my 15 miles test drive on a 07 C6 Z06.
Here is my smack, enjoy the data:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/pruebas/BMW-335i-10-2006-18608.html
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=487005
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=491868
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Mar 6, 2007 at 08:58 PM.
Why does that surprise you? Cars with abundant torque, driven by average drivers, are usually faster with an AT, not to mention much more consistent.
Mike, there's a local guy with a 6spd manual 335i sedan with nothing but PROcede who traps 88-89mph in the 1/8th, and possibly 111mph in the 1/4th @ Fontana...
there's a IX locally with 304whp dynojet whp with a bad tune, and TBE + mbc + bad tune that trapped 87 and 110mph at the 1/8th and 1/4th respectively at Fontana...
there's a IX locally with 304whp dynojet whp with a bad tune, and TBE + mbc + bad tune that trapped 87 and 110mph at the 1/8th and 1/4th respectively at Fontana...
While there's a good amount of power gain on the top end, most of it is in the mid-range from the dyno charts I've seen; makes sense as the stock turbos were near maxed out from the factory by design. Makes for insane around-town power and also no need to downshift to pass.
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I love the EVO, but I consider myself a car enthusiast first. So I enjoy following the progress of other cars to see how they compare to the EVO and others. One car in particular, the BMW 335i has recieved it's fair share (and then some) of hype. With tuners (Vishnu and AA) getting some pretty good gains in power on these cars. So I've been following and paitently waiting for some more data, or for these cars to start backing up these power claims with further data. Now the numbers are starting to come in, not a whole lot, but enough.
So far these cars have been running some decent times. Stock, they are pretty much getting the same times as the magazines, plus or minus a couple of tenths, and trap speeds have also been falling with in the same range.
Stock times- 13.3 to 13.6@103-106mph
So yes, stock the average driver is getting some pretty good times out of these cars.
Now modded. Most of us have been reading the claims of big power from these cars, but so far the big power has not been translating to the streets or strips. Yes there has been some improvements, but not as much as I had expected.
Modded w/ Tuning and Catback Exhaust (Steet Tires)- 13.0 to 13.3@105-108mph
Modded w/ Tuning and Catback Exhaust (DRs)- 12.8 to 13.1@105-108mph
Fast, YES, but honestly with the big power claims of 330-360whp and even more torque for these cars from tuners, I was expecting atleast mid 12s. Most of these times have been with a mixture of pump and race gas too.
The Good-
Still to early and the number of 335is that have actually went to the strip is still very small. So there is definitly room for improvement. ATs seem to be as fast or faster than the MTs (interesting).
The Bad-
The trap speeds worry me a little. I could understand the slower times from traction issues to poor driving, but I would have expected a little bit higher of trap speeds. With the power that these cars are claiming, I would expect 109-112mph trap speeds. The times and trap speeds of these so far, have been similiar to the BMW E46 M3 with comparable mods and I would have expected the 335i to be substantially quicker.
The Ugly-
A tune and exhaust for these cars can cost well over $2,000 and that is a lot of money to still run 13s (especially for a turbocharged vehicle). A EVO IX with comparable money spent is capable of very high 11s/low 12s@112-116mph. The BMW still has a little ways to go.
Conclusion-
This is in no way an attempt to put down the 335i, which I consider a very nice car. This is an attempt for more people to hold other cars to the same standards that we hold our EVOs. That is, that a dyno slip is great, but you need to back that power claim up with further proof. I mean, we have Pontiac Solstice owners claiming 30whp+ with just a catback exhaust, wtf? Like I said, it is still very early and it is possible that more 335i will hit the strip and start running some even more impressive times. But for now the 335i isn't living up to the hype, but as more data is produced I will report.
So far these cars have been running some decent times. Stock, they are pretty much getting the same times as the magazines, plus or minus a couple of tenths, and trap speeds have also been falling with in the same range.
Stock times- 13.3 to 13.6@103-106mph
So yes, stock the average driver is getting some pretty good times out of these cars.
Now modded. Most of us have been reading the claims of big power from these cars, but so far the big power has not been translating to the streets or strips. Yes there has been some improvements, but not as much as I had expected.
Modded w/ Tuning and Catback Exhaust (Steet Tires)- 13.0 to 13.3@105-108mph
Modded w/ Tuning and Catback Exhaust (DRs)- 12.8 to 13.1@105-108mph
Fast, YES, but honestly with the big power claims of 330-360whp and even more torque for these cars from tuners, I was expecting atleast mid 12s. Most of these times have been with a mixture of pump and race gas too.
The Good-
Still to early and the number of 335is that have actually went to the strip is still very small. So there is definitly room for improvement. ATs seem to be as fast or faster than the MTs (interesting).
The Bad-
The trap speeds worry me a little. I could understand the slower times from traction issues to poor driving, but I would have expected a little bit higher of trap speeds. With the power that these cars are claiming, I would expect 109-112mph trap speeds. The times and trap speeds of these so far, have been similiar to the BMW E46 M3 with comparable mods and I would have expected the 335i to be substantially quicker.
The Ugly-
A tune and exhaust for these cars can cost well over $2,000 and that is a lot of money to still run 13s (especially for a turbocharged vehicle). A EVO IX with comparable money spent is capable of very high 11s/low 12s@112-116mph. The BMW still has a little ways to go.
Conclusion-
This is in no way an attempt to put down the 335i, which I consider a very nice car. This is an attempt for more people to hold other cars to the same standards that we hold our EVOs. That is, that a dyno slip is great, but you need to back that power claim up with further proof. I mean, we have Pontiac Solstice owners claiming 30whp+ with just a catback exhaust, wtf? Like I said, it is still very early and it is possible that more 335i will hit the strip and start running some even more impressive times. But for now the 335i isn't living up to the hype, but as more data is produced I will report.
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I went for a long test drive this past Saturday on a sedan 335i with steptronic. Even though I told the salesman that I wasn't interested on the automatic car test drive I went ahead and I drove it.
I can only say that I am very very very impressed with the power displayed. This car is very very fast and the shifting is awesome.
For the last 5-6 weeks I spent huge amounts of time search and buying all kinds of car magazine on the 335I. This car is a winner.
I found on a spanish magazine(Autopista) that the car put 331 crank HP, that the same car was only one second behind a European 300hp WRXSTI and a Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII on numburbrig (I know I did not said it right).
I also found a long video in which the chief BMW engineer explain why they chose the small Mitsubishi turbos over a mids size turbos which they managed to created already monstruous whp/tq.
BMW policy at this time is no turbolag and that is why the small turbos were fitted on this engine. Dual vanos does the rest.
This 335i pulls 3 seconds average from 50-75 on 4th, 5th and 6th gear roll acceleration on a M-3.
Truly impressive car. The braking is awesome despite having a massive single caliper with astronomical 13.7" F and 13.4 "rotors.
You must drive this car before speculating. By the way, I have to tell you guys in another topic how was my 15 miles test drive on a 07 C6 Z06.
Here is my smack, enjoy the data:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/pruebas/BMW-335i-10-2006-18608.html
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=487005
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=491868
Carlos
I can only say that I am very very very impressed with the power displayed. This car is very very fast and the shifting is awesome.
For the last 5-6 weeks I spent huge amounts of time search and buying all kinds of car magazine on the 335I. This car is a winner.
I found on a spanish magazine(Autopista) that the car put 331 crank HP, that the same car was only one second behind a European 300hp WRXSTI and a Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII on numburbrig (I know I did not said it right).
I also found a long video in which the chief BMW engineer explain why they chose the small Mitsubishi turbos over a mids size turbos which they managed to created already monstruous whp/tq.
BMW policy at this time is no turbolag and that is why the small turbos were fitted on this engine. Dual vanos does the rest.
This 335i pulls 3 seconds average from 50-75 on 4th, 5th and 6th gear roll acceleration on a M-3.
Truly impressive car. The braking is awesome despite having a massive single caliper with astronomical 13.7" F and 13.4 "rotors.
You must drive this car before speculating. By the way, I have to tell you guys in another topic how was my 15 miles test drive on a 07 C6 Z06.
Here is my smack, enjoy the data:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/pruebas/BMW-335i-10-2006-18608.html
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=487005
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=491868
Carlos
I agree with you, the 335i is a winner and a heck of a car on many aspects. However there's a few performance facts that don't add up; According to that link, the M3's 50-75mph pass is faster than the 335i in 3rd gear, there's a tie in 4th and the 335i wins in 5th but by only 1.6 secs....therefore there's no 3 sec. average on all 3 gears.
Talking about 50 to 120mph passes? The M3 beats the 335i hands down in all gears. Also, the same link source (I translate for the rest of you since it's writen in spanish) shows that the 335i is 4 seconds slower than the M3 (Nurburgring I think) and 6 seconds (!!) slower than a 220bhp Renault Megane Sport on a specific slalom circuit, due to mucho weight.
And like someone stated in this thread, AWD could help with the mostruous torque this engine generates, but it would also add extra weight to a 3,600+lb. vehicle. Think 3,800 lb...
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Carlos,
I think that you missed a stock Evo V that was 7 seconds faster than the 335i. By the way, the track times are from Hockenheim, not Nurburgring. Hockenheim is a relatively short track, with a total lenght of about 3 miles. Nurburgring is about 17 miles long, therefore the difference between both could have been huge.
I think that you missed a stock Evo V that was 7 seconds faster than the 335i. By the way, the track times are from Hockenheim, not Nurburgring. Hockenheim is a relatively short track, with a total lenght of about 3 miles. Nurburgring is about 17 miles long, therefore the difference between both could have been huge.
even with RWD hard to hook up, it shouldn't affect the trap speed. The 335xi will put power to the tarmac better, but not running a faster trap given the same amount of power put down at the same dyno at the same day, compare with a 335i.
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When I took my 335i to the track, I couldn't get it to hook up for the life of me. I think my best 60' time was 2.3s! Couldn't even go full throttle until 3rd gear due to wheelspin problems. The funny thing is that I've never had that bad of traction problems on the road. Just on the dragstrip. The water box and 90% worn runflat tires dont mix. The car ran 111+ traps which is about is quick as many supercharged E46 M3s 
And it only needed a $1300 computer and a $500 muffler shop exhaust!
-shiv
And it only needed a $1300 computer and a $500 muffler shop exhaust!-shiv
