Updates on the BMW 335i
Carlos,
I agree with you, the 335i is a winner and a heck of a car on many aspects. However there's a few performance facts that don't add up; According to that link, the M3's 50-75mph pass is faster than the 335i in 3rd gear, there's a tie in 4th and the 335i wins in 5th but by only 1.6 secs....therefore there's no 3 sec. average on all 3 gears.
Talking about 50 to 120mph passes? The M3 beats the 335i hands down in all gears.
Also, the same link source (I translate for the rest of you since it's writen in spanish) shows that the 335i is 4 seconds slower than the M3 (Nurburgring I think) and 6 seconds (!!) slower than a 220bhp Renault Megane Sport on a specific slalom circuit, due to mucho weight.
And like someone stated in this thread, AWD could help with the mostruous torque this engine generates, but it would also add extra weight to a 3,600+lb. vehicle. Think 3,800 lb...
My .2 c
I agree with you, the 335i is a winner and a heck of a car on many aspects. However there's a few performance facts that don't add up; According to that link, the M3's 50-75mph pass is faster than the 335i in 3rd gear, there's a tie in 4th and the 335i wins in 5th but by only 1.6 secs....therefore there's no 3 sec. average on all 3 gears.
Talking about 50 to 120mph passes? The M3 beats the 335i hands down in all gears. Also, the same link source (I translate for the rest of you since it's writen in spanish) shows that the 335i is 4 seconds slower than the M3 (Nurburgring I think) and 6 seconds (!!) slower than a 220bhp Renault Megane Sport on a specific slalom circuit, due to mucho weight.
And like someone stated in this thread, AWD could help with the mostruous torque this engine generates, but it would also add extra weight to a 3,600+lb. vehicle. Think 3,800 lb...
My .2 c
The Renault Megane Sport does the Nurburgring in 8 min 38 sec at a average speed of 88.8mph, the 335I does the same circuit in 8 min 26 sec .
Here is the link for verification:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
As far is the 335i pulling only 1.6 sec in 5th gear from a 50-75mph roll acceleration I think otherwise, again here is the link, it shows more than 3 sec in 5th and 6th gear:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/prue...006-18608.html
I actually bother to quote it" [B]Todo esto se traduce en mejores recuperaciones y respuesta en bajos y medios. Por poner un ejemplo, la recuperación 80-120 km/h en cuarta se cifra en 5,2 segundos para el 335i y en 5,5 el M3, pero esa diferencia es mayor en quinta y en sexta, donde asciende nada menos que hasta los tres segundos".[/B]
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Mar 7, 2007 at 09:54 PM.
nurburgring times are hard to be taken seriously as solid comparison tools IMHO, different drivers and different weathers will give out huge discrepencies on a track that big...
a stock JDM IX made 8:11 there IIRC.
a stock JDM IX made 8:11 there IIRC.
I was in the process to prove your comments. Top gear BBC tv had a track test displaying a well known Evo VI vs Evo 9 comparissson in which the Evo VI actually beats the Evoi 9 by a full second on their Top gaer BBC channel private owned track.
On the other note, a Evo 9 MR runs 8 min 11sec on Numburgrimg while the Evo VI runs 8min 25sec.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
Carlos
Bingo!!!!
I was in the process to prove your comments. Top gear BBC tv had a track test displaying a well known Evo VI vs Evo 9 comparissson in which the Evo VI actually beats the Evoi 9 by a full second on their Top gaer BBC channel private owned track.
On the other note, a Evo 9 MR runs 8 min 11sec on Numburgrimg while the Evo VI runs 8min 25sec.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
Carlos
I was in the process to prove your comments. Top gear BBC tv had a track test displaying a well known Evo VI vs Evo 9 comparissson in which the Evo VI actually beats the Evoi 9 by a full second on their Top gaer BBC channel private owned track.
On the other note, a Evo 9 MR runs 8 min 11sec on Numburgrimg while the Evo VI runs 8min 25sec.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
Carlos
Sergio (Evofunk)
Here are a couple of links that you would love, I already sent you one but here is one that I never seen.
Intro: BMW 335I advertizes 300cranck power but it put 331.5 hp to the crank
BMW M-3 advertizes 343hp and it put 317hp to the crank
http://motor.terra.es/motor/pruebas/...cfm?id=MOT2422
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=491868
If you compare the two links I provided, the 335I wins in 95-100% of all the performance comparissons, it is just too much to type, just read.
Carlos (Evofunk best friend since 1988)
Here are a couple of links that you would love, I already sent you one but here is one that I never seen.
Intro: BMW 335I advertizes 300cranck power but it put 331.5 hp to the crank
BMW M-3 advertizes 343hp and it put 317hp to the crank
http://motor.terra.es/motor/pruebas/...cfm?id=MOT2422
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=491868
If you compare the two links I provided, the 335I wins in 95-100% of all the performance comparissons, it is just too much to type, just read.
Carlos (Evofunk best friend since 1988)
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Sergio,
The Renault Megane Sport does the Nurburgring in 8 min 38 sec at a average speed of 88.8mph, the 335I does the same circuit in 8 min 26 sec .
Here is the link for verification:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
As far is the 335i pulling only 1.6 sec in 5th gear from a 50-75mph roll acceleration I think otherwise, again here is the link, it shows more than 3 sec in 5th and 6th gear:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/prue...006-18608.html
I actually bother to quote it" [B]Todo esto se traduce en mejores recuperaciones y respuesta en bajos y medios. Por poner un ejemplo, la recuperación 80-120 km/h en cuarta se cifra en 5,2 segundos para el 335i y en 5,5 el M3, pero esa diferencia es mayor en quinta y en sexta, donde asciende nada menos que hasta los tres segundos".[/B]
Carlos
The Renault Megane Sport does the Nurburgring in 8 min 38 sec at a average speed of 88.8mph, the 335I does the same circuit in 8 min 26 sec .
Here is the link for verification:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
As far is the 335i pulling only 1.6 sec in 5th gear from a 50-75mph roll acceleration I think otherwise, again here is the link, it shows more than 3 sec in 5th and 6th gear:
http://www.revistaautohebdo.com/prue...006-18608.html
I actually bother to quote it" [B]Todo esto se traduce en mejores recuperaciones y respuesta en bajos y medios. Por poner un ejemplo, la recuperación 80-120 km/h en cuarta se cifra en 5,2 segundos para el 335i y en 5,5 el M3, pero esa diferencia es mayor en quinta y en sexta, donde asciende nada menos que hasta los tres segundos".[/B]
Carlos
no problem, Carlitos. You know how it is when it comes to facts, numbers and all that jazz.So here we go: The 335's 3-second advantage only happens in sixth gear, but that is not a susprise since the NA M3 powerplant can't beat the 335 twin turbo in the low-mid rpm range. However, pass measurement in top gear is useless in real life: no one stomps on the gas in 6th gear @ 1500-2000 rpm. It is no fair to make comparisons with numbers taken from different publications, c'mon bro
About the M3's 317hp crank hp, that's very unusual for this powerplant. Most of the M3s have been tested well above 340hp. Perhaps it was a unit with a weak engine. Anyways, I differ about the comment that the 335i beats the M3 in 90-95% of all performance measurements. American and european publications agree at one point: the 335i almost matches the M3's performance...almost. 335's passing is definetelybe more brilliant in high gears; acceleration wise, the M3 still owns the 335. And that is commendable: a naturally aspirated engine beating a mighty twin turbo with similar displacement...wow.
About the Megane being 6 seconds faster than the 335 on a slalom circuit, here's the quote: (sorry its in spanish): "...eso sí, los tiempos conseguidos en slalom y circuito de hadling, donde el peso cuenta mucho, y un megane trophy por ejemplo lo hace en 1 min 31 seg, casi 6 segundos antes que este 335i..."
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=487005
Nevertheless, Carlos, forget all this myriad of numbers and cold facts. The 335i is hands down an awesome car and you will love it, no doubt about it. I hope you get the car with the special BMW delivery program so you can come and visit me here in Germany and pick up the vehicle in Munich. What a blast!
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Bingo!!!!
I was in the process to prove your comments. Top gear BBC tv had a track test displaying a well known Evo VI vs Evo 9 comparissson in which the Evo VI actually beats the Evoi 9 by a full second on their Top gaer BBC channel private owned track.
On the other note, a Evo 9 MR runs 8 min 11sec on Numburgrimg while the Evo VI runs 8min 25sec.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
Carlos
I was in the process to prove your comments. Top gear BBC tv had a track test displaying a well known Evo VI vs Evo 9 comparissson in which the Evo VI actually beats the Evoi 9 by a full second on their Top gaer BBC channel private owned track.
On the other note, a Evo 9 MR runs 8 min 11sec on Numburgrimg while the Evo VI runs 8min 25sec.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179206
Carlos
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I know this is a predominately Evo forum so, everyone is concerned about the numbers but, owning both I have to say I really prefer the 335i.
Evo FTW at the track, 335i FTW everywhere else. There are times I think the 335i is faster in the real world than an Evo. The 335i definitely doesn't feel like it is working anywhere near as hard as the Evo to be as fast as it is. Never mind that it is much nicer to ride around in when you aren't racing to wherever.
Evo FTW at the track, 335i FTW everywhere else. There are times I think the 335i is faster in the real world than an Evo. The 335i definitely doesn't feel like it is working anywhere near as hard as the Evo to be as fast as it is. Never mind that it is much nicer to ride around in when you aren't racing to wherever.
I know this is a predominately Evo forum so, everyone is concerned about the numbers but, owning both I have to say I really prefer the 335i.
Evo FTW at the track, 335i FTW everywhere else. There are times I think the 335i is faster in the real world than an Evo. The 335i definitely doesn't feel like it is working anywhere near as hard as the Evo to be as fast as it is. Never mind that it is much nicer to ride around in when you aren't racing to wherever.
Evo FTW at the track, 335i FTW everywhere else. There are times I think the 335i is faster in the real world than an Evo. The 335i definitely doesn't feel like it is working anywhere near as hard as the Evo to be as fast as it is. Never mind that it is much nicer to ride around in when you aren't racing to wherever.
i love that about the EVo though, dual personality. maybe when i'm older (more mature) the 335i's more "tame" driving characteristics will be more attrative.
Sergio (Evofunk),
Again and in fair defense of the BMW 335I keep in mind:
the 335I does not even have LSD and still manages the equal the M3
Also the 335I weights 200lbs more than the M-3 and still runs as fast
As per your comment: "And that is commendable: a naturally aspirated engine beating a mighty twin turbo with similar displacement...wow."
That has a very logical explanation, first of all, the M3 engine is squeeze to its max, chips, exhaust,header,tuning, and air filters makes very low extra hp on the M-3 engines and that is because the engine is already screaming on rpms and compression ratios being sky high.
On the totally oposite note, the BMW 335I makes as much power at a very conservative factory set up. Vishnu already extracted 114wtq and average of 50whp on a simple piggy back and a cat back(rataining the cats). I would like to see a M3 making an extra 114lb to the wheels and 50whp with a piggy back and a cat back, like I say I would like to but unfortunately it will never happen.
I will post the link to the video in which the BMW engineers talk for a few minutes explaining that they already achieved monstruous power and torque by going with mid size turbos. The reason why the chose the small/tiny turbos is because they follow the company policy of driveability and fast response, they did not want to be associated with turbo lag.
Time will back me up, the 335i with a LSD will torn many cars up starting with its own current M-3 car. This car is very new and BMW owners don't typically use this car for 1/4 mile track, put a decent driver and you will see.
I am a strong believer that the 335I will push the M-3 to the side in some aspects. Oh by the way... the M-3 gets 16/24mpg while the 335I gets 20/29mph city/hwy, another strong reason of superiority.
Carlos
Again and in fair defense of the BMW 335I keep in mind:
the 335I does not even have LSD and still manages the equal the M3
Also the 335I weights 200lbs more than the M-3 and still runs as fast
As per your comment: "And that is commendable: a naturally aspirated engine beating a mighty twin turbo with similar displacement...wow."
That has a very logical explanation, first of all, the M3 engine is squeeze to its max, chips, exhaust,header,tuning, and air filters makes very low extra hp on the M-3 engines and that is because the engine is already screaming on rpms and compression ratios being sky high.
On the totally oposite note, the BMW 335I makes as much power at a very conservative factory set up. Vishnu already extracted 114wtq and average of 50whp on a simple piggy back and a cat back(rataining the cats). I would like to see a M3 making an extra 114lb to the wheels and 50whp with a piggy back and a cat back, like I say I would like to but unfortunately it will never happen.
I will post the link to the video in which the BMW engineers talk for a few minutes explaining that they already achieved monstruous power and torque by going with mid size turbos. The reason why the chose the small/tiny turbos is because they follow the company policy of driveability and fast response, they did not want to be associated with turbo lag.
Time will back me up, the 335i with a LSD will torn many cars up starting with its own current M-3 car. This car is very new and BMW owners don't typically use this car for 1/4 mile track, put a decent driver and you will see.
I am a strong believer that the 335I will push the M-3 to the side in some aspects. Oh by the way... the M-3 gets 16/24mpg while the 335I gets 20/29mph city/hwy, another strong reason of superiority.
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Mar 8, 2007 at 04:40 PM.
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Yeah, that comparo was totally bogus! It was so lame that they were saying that the Evo 6 was faster. Of course it was going to be faster, because it was modded and the Evo 9 was stock. It was so obvious that that the driver was not even trying to produce a fast time with Evo 9, because she was drifting it. When you drift on tarmac you are going to be slower. As for the Evo 6, she did not drift at all.
As for the 335i, it looks too boring in my opinion. I prefer the previous 3 series body style. It looked more aggressive.
As for the 335i, it looks too boring in my opinion. I prefer the previous 3 series body style. It looked more aggressive.
Last edited by Vigo; Mar 8, 2007 at 10:50 PM.
Sergio(Evofunk),
One last thing, this is just for you, here is a few videos and the links in which the BMW 335I leaves the 911turbo, the Porsche Cayman S and the 350Z in the dust on a road track/course driven by a professional driver..
and remember guys, it doesn't even have an LSD as an option. This car(335i) is a true winner.
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=544171
Just have fun!
Carlos
One last thing, this is just for you, here is a few videos and the links in which the BMW 335I leaves the 911turbo, the Porsche Cayman S and the 350Z in the dust on a road track/course driven by a professional driver..
and remember guys, it doesn't even have an LSD as an option. This car(335i) is a true winner.
http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=544171
Just have fun!
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Mar 8, 2007 at 04:56 PM.
We're about to have a Vishnu dyno day with quite a few of these, and I'm excited. I can't wait to get a ride in one, and hopefully drive one if I get lucky.
Runflats + a heavy RWD manual do not a fast drag racer make on street tires. [/Yoda]
I love my Evo and am not a dashboard molester, but the 335in has a sexy exterior, decent + moddable engine, and luxury appointments an Evo can't dream of. An Evo is a more focused track star, but a 335i as a DD is hard to argue with.
Runflats + a heavy RWD manual do not a fast drag racer make on street tires. [/Yoda]
I love my Evo and am not a dashboard molester, but the 335in has a sexy exterior, decent + moddable engine, and luxury appointments an Evo can't dream of. An Evo is a more focused track star, but a 335i as a DD is hard to argue with.
Last edited by Noize; Mar 8, 2007 at 05:01 PM.