Having seen the Scion in person, I would buy the Subaru. Only for the simple fact that the FR-S is stamped Subaru all over the damn place on the body panels, that would bother me (yes, I'm simple like that ).

 

...and it say's Toyota inside the Subaru's engine bay.

 

I'd take the Scion. Subaru has those huge fake fender vents which look stupid, the buck tooth in the grill, and comes with a bunch of crap like navigation and push button start, which seems to go against the 'simple back to basics sport car' ethos.

 

Yeah, that had nothing to do with the driver...

By that logic, a '10 shelby GT500 is faster than the Corvette ZR1 on the track.

 

Why would you even waste your time posting that? Wait... unless you actually think a Hyundai Genesis coupe is faster than a Cayman S, CTS-V and GT500

 

drove the brz, not impressed at all. 612 scaglietti= nice! Evo x gsr reminded me of my evo9mr.

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brz's interior like the pedals and stick shift remind me of the sti. Not sure how hard it is to work on the brz's engine but if it's difficult like the sti then Id pick the frs

 

They both have the same boxer motor...

 

I don't drive anything with under 300HP.

But if I HAD to pick a sub-300HP vehicle it would be FRS.

 

I sat in a FR-S today. I am 6'3 and my head was millimeters from the ceiling. Way to small of car. I do love the look though.

 

hah, shows u how much I dont know about these. although i did see the frs in person at the dealer. meh. looks ok kinda ordinary. I do light the light RWD platform though. Hopefully the aftermarket's come out with FI of some sort unless Subaru makes an sti version

 

Did you happen to notice if there's much space between the seat and floor? I'm the same height as you and I imagine that if I were to get a FRS/BRZ down the road the first thing I'd do is toss in a racing seat to lower the driving position.

 

Got to drive an FRS at work...as a street car driven at normal speeds, the powerband is very very disappointing. Below 5K, it feels absolutely dead. This car needs to be kept within the last 3K of the rev range to feel like its moving anywhere. Overall feel of the car was pretty good though. As far as tuning this motor will go, I'm suspecting it will respond very poorly to modifications. Here's why: 2.0 liter that eeks out 200HP & 151ft/lbs from a 12.5:1 compression ratio!! It also produces those numbers close to redline, so low-end is pretty dead. This motor is very highly strung - kinda like the S2000 motor. On that car I've seen dyno tests where the motor lost power from certain aftermarket exhausts! I think for the STI version, I'm suspecting Subaru will put in the 2.5 motor to get more power out of it.. Time will tell though how good this power plant is once people start tweaking it.

I've never been a fan of the boxer motor in general, & one particular thing that is different with the FRS/BRZ's that was not a problem on WRX/STI's is the procedure to change spark plugs - have to pull the motor off to change plugs. The service manual says that the spark plug tubes sit too close to the frame rails & it is impossible to fit an extension down the tube to remove the plugs. Have to use a cherry picker to lift the motor off the mounts above the frame rails to get access to them. I just don't know what to say to that...yes, the location of the motor gives the car it's agility, but really? What else is kinky about this car?

 

My friend bought a FR-S and I saw it in person and I got to test drive it. Looks wise I prefer the FR-S. However the clutch in the FR-S is really weird. It's super light and it kind of sticks.

 

Yeah, sounds like a pain, but shouldn't be too big of a deal, mainly because it uses iridium plugs (so it's a 80k+ mile service) and from what I've heard you only have to raise the engine about 10cm, a small enough movement that you shouldn't need to disassemble much...

WTF am I saying, yeah, it's a PITA