BEWARE! gtrskyline34 went above and beyond to fix a crap situation! He is good people
Oct 22, 2012, 05:56 PM
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BEWARE! gtrskyline34 went above and beyond to fix a crap situation! He is good people
BREAKING UPDATE: AFTER SOME EXPLANATION, PHOTOS AND DIALOGUE, MR YUENG HAS PAID FOR THE MAJORITY OF A BRAND NEW SET OF FRONT DAMPERS
There was a mutual distrust at first, since we've all been burned before, but through dialogue and photos, we were able to determine that neither of us was trying to screw the other out of money/coils/refund.
However, he is good people, situation solved. A+ seller.
There was a mutual distrust at first, since we've all been burned before, but through dialogue and photos, we were able to determine that neither of us was trying to screw the other out of money/coils/refund.
However, he is good people, situation solved. A+ seller.
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Oct 24, 2012, 02:24 AM
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So are the two of u currently communicating other than on this thread? What is he saying regarding the refund? Did he post in the original thread that they were working? I understand what (as is) means... But I highly doubt u would have bought them if u knew beforehand they were basically useless. If he was a stand up guy, then he should help u out. I'm sure u paid such a high price for WORKING (as is) coilovers. That sucks, ikt. Hope u get some resolution.
As is is one thing, non working/fixable is totally different.
As is is one thing, non working/fixable is totally different.
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Oct 24, 2012, 10:19 AM
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I do, they're back on now. But I have no choice but to repair these STances.
Yes, he stated they were working. He may have even thought they did.
It's going to cost me over $400 for two new dampers and valves.
He has generously offered...$100.
Guy's a slippery devil tho, you can't nail him down on anything. One of the worst sellers I've ever dealt with when it comes to taking responsibility. I keep getting this rhetoric to the effect of "that's how I bought them and I paid more so".
So are the two of u currently communicating other than on this thread? What is he saying regarding the refund? Did he post in the original thread that they were working? I understand what (as is) means... But I highly doubt u would have bought them if u knew beforehand they were basically useless. If he was a stand up guy, then he should help u out. I'm sure u paid such a high price for WORKING (as is) coilovers. That sucks, ikt. Hope u get some resolution.
As is is one thing, non working/fixable is totally different.
As is is one thing, non working/fixable is totally different.
It's going to cost me over $400 for two new dampers and valves.
He has generously offered...$100.
Guy's a slippery devil tho, you can't nail him down on anything. One of the worst sellers I've ever dealt with when it comes to taking responsibility. I keep getting this rhetoric to the effect of "that's how I bought them and I paid more so".
Oct 24, 2012, 10:30 AM
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I know! He's trying to buy me off. Here's what I stated to paypal:
Seller is offering only $100 refund, yet denying fault.
I have saved the conversation where seller requested I send the money as a Paypal GIFT to avoid fees. I refused on the basis that is fraudulent and denies me of my buyer rights. Seller tried to say over and over that there is no warranty. I said I understand, but I will NOT send PayPal "gift" money.
My issue is NOT warranty, this is an issue of product description. The product was to be in used, working condition. That proved untrue. $390 dollars is the cost for parts to put the suspension in condition described by seller.
To reiterate:
1-I have proof seller originally attempted to receive payment for item as "gift". I refused, seller kept stating "no warranty anyways!"
2-I have the repair estimate from the manufacturer, the total cost is $390
3-the fact that the seller has offered a token $100 refund, not nearly enough to cover the costs, is evidence that he is trying to duck out of his near-certain loss of $390 if I escalated to a PayPal claim
4-I have evidence that the seller was irate that I filed a claim with paypal instead of accepting his "Too bad" answers.
Clearly, evidence shows that Mr. Yeung attempted to circumvent my buyer protection with a "gift" request. Upon refusal of request, he took the money. When defective merchandise was received, he attempted to pay me off $100 and avoid a claim for the correct amount of $390.
Seller is offering only $100 refund, yet denying fault.
I have saved the conversation where seller requested I send the money as a Paypal GIFT to avoid fees. I refused on the basis that is fraudulent and denies me of my buyer rights. Seller tried to say over and over that there is no warranty. I said I understand, but I will NOT send PayPal "gift" money.
My issue is NOT warranty, this is an issue of product description. The product was to be in used, working condition. That proved untrue. $390 dollars is the cost for parts to put the suspension in condition described by seller.
To reiterate:
1-I have proof seller originally attempted to receive payment for item as "gift". I refused, seller kept stating "no warranty anyways!"
2-I have the repair estimate from the manufacturer, the total cost is $390
3-the fact that the seller has offered a token $100 refund, not nearly enough to cover the costs, is evidence that he is trying to duck out of his near-certain loss of $390 if I escalated to a PayPal claim
4-I have evidence that the seller was irate that I filed a claim with paypal instead of accepting his "Too bad" answers.
Clearly, evidence shows that Mr. Yeung attempted to circumvent my buyer protection with a "gift" request. Upon refusal of request, he took the money. When defective merchandise was received, he attempted to pay me off $100 and avoid a claim for the correct amount of $390.
Oct 24, 2012, 10:39 AM
#12
My Email to Mr. Yeung:
Proposal unacceptable. Also, your attempt to collect the money from me initially as a "Gift" is not going to look good in this PayPal claim. I saved the messages. Now I wonder, "why did he want GIFT"? Perhaps now I know.
I hope you take advantage of this opportunity to issue the $390 refund, for you will have to struggle to explain to PayPal why you attempted to collect money in a fraudulent manner, circumventing their fees and my buyer protection.
Spare me your long winded righteous replies. Just man up and do the right thing.
Proposal unacceptable. Also, your attempt to collect the money from me initially as a "Gift" is not going to look good in this PayPal claim. I saved the messages. Now I wonder, "why did he want GIFT"? Perhaps now I know.
I hope you take advantage of this opportunity to issue the $390 refund, for you will have to struggle to explain to PayPal why you attempted to collect money in a fraudulent manner, circumventing their fees and my buyer protection.
Spare me your long winded righteous replies. Just man up and do the right thing.
Oct 24, 2012, 10:54 AM
#13
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM, William Yeung <[removed]@gmail.com> wrote:
My reply:
I know exactly what you said. So will PayPal. And here I am, ready to collect my buyer's protection.
Also, that policy is not yours to dictate, and PayPal will see it the same way. You cannot offer to commit fraud, which is exactly what you did.
You are going to lose this, William, and will likely lose your PayPal account, and your 5 year long membership on EvoM as well (you're not winning there, either, by the way. Check the front desk area).
Your best option here is to go into damage control, and accept your least damaging option, which is a refund of $390, at which point, the claim will be dropped and you have a *slight* possibility of not having your PayPal suspended for fraud. You will have still made almost $400 dollars on your broken coilovers. I would consider that not too bad of a result for you, considering the likely result of you trying to ride this out.
Like I said, liability is what I do for a living. You think my red flags didn't go up the second you offered a gift payment? Of course it did, it shows poor character. The fact that you offered two options is, one fraud, and one legitimate, clearly shows your willingness to commit fraud. You claim, now, that you wouldn't do such a thing-but your written emails and messages prove otherwise.
I got nothing but time, William, and I'm not going away.
I can stand up to what I said, I offered you both options. Here's exactly what I said.
"Thanks for the interest! I can do 750 if you pay today, but you will have to gift the paypal because they take 3.5% or whatever. Please note that the item will be sold AS-IS, because you lose the buyer protection when you gift the money. If you want the buyers protection, please pay 800 shipped.
I've had the coilovers for over a year now and I've never installed them and I'm already taking a 150 dollars lost + shipping.
Let me know what you decide then I can send you my paypal, thanks."
"Thanks for the interest! I can do 750 if you pay today, but you will have to gift the paypal because they take 3.5% or whatever. Please note that the item will be sold AS-IS, because you lose the buyer protection when you gift the money. If you want the buyers protection, please pay 800 shipped.
I've had the coilovers for over a year now and I've never installed them and I'm already taking a 150 dollars lost + shipping.
Let me know what you decide then I can send you my paypal, thanks."
My reply:
I know exactly what you said. So will PayPal. And here I am, ready to collect my buyer's protection.
Also, that policy is not yours to dictate, and PayPal will see it the same way. You cannot offer to commit fraud, which is exactly what you did.
You are going to lose this, William, and will likely lose your PayPal account, and your 5 year long membership on EvoM as well (you're not winning there, either, by the way. Check the front desk area).
Your best option here is to go into damage control, and accept your least damaging option, which is a refund of $390, at which point, the claim will be dropped and you have a *slight* possibility of not having your PayPal suspended for fraud. You will have still made almost $400 dollars on your broken coilovers. I would consider that not too bad of a result for you, considering the likely result of you trying to ride this out.
Like I said, liability is what I do for a living. You think my red flags didn't go up the second you offered a gift payment? Of course it did, it shows poor character. The fact that you offered two options is, one fraud, and one legitimate, clearly shows your willingness to commit fraud. You claim, now, that you wouldn't do such a thing-but your written emails and messages prove otherwise.
I got nothing but time, William, and I'm not going away.
