wow... 09 Ralliart isn't legal in STX like the WRX
Mar 23, 2009, 10:51 AM
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wow... 09 Ralliart isn't legal in STX like the WRX
From the FastTrack:
Talk about taking a butter knife to Fallujah!
Street Touring: Due to performance potential, the ‘09 Lancer Ralliart (turbocharged) is added to the STX exclusion list. It is
legal for the ST category only in STU.
legal for the ST category only in STU.
Mar 23, 2009, 03:29 PM
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Ah Thanks, the laptop I was on wouldnt load up the PDF rulebook. Well then it seems pretty normal for the ralliart to be bumped from stx, its basically an evo 8/9 drivetrain -~30hp with the TC-SST/the new engine. its probably not going to be competetive, but it would kill STX.
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Mar 23, 2009, 03:31 PM
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The 09 WRX is a 2.5L, as all WRXs have been since ~2005, I believe, maybe 2006. Because of this, WRXs have been bumped to STU for several years now.See p168 of the 2009 Solo rules (its PDF page 180)
http://cms.scca.com/documents/Solo_R...Solo_Rules.pdf
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it is bumped on displacement alone (unlike the Evo that's bumped based on potential as it's still a 2.0L).
Mar 23, 2009, 04:08 PM
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See I can't find where it clarifies it...
STU:
Example Classifications:
All STS and STX Eligible Cars +
- Audi S4
- BMW M3 (E36 ‘95-’99)
- Chevrolet Camaro 5.7L
- Pontiac GTO
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
(‘03+)
- Subaru WRX STI
- Volvo S60R
We all know the WRX isn't the same as the STi, but maybe they don't make it different?
I've been wrong before... not a big surprise here
STU:
Example Classifications:
All STS and STX Eligible Cars +
- Audi S4
- BMW M3 (E36 ‘95-’99)
- Chevrolet Camaro 5.7L
- Pontiac GTO
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
(‘03+)
- Subaru WRX STI
- Volvo S60R
We all know the WRX isn't the same as the STi, but maybe they don't make it different?
I've been wrong before... not a big surprise here
Mar 23, 2009, 04:23 PM
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I don't think it this car should be excluded from STX because the darn thing weighs 3500lbs and only makes 237HP. Power to weight ratio is much worse than the old 02-04 WRX. Makes you wonder what the SCCA is thinking ...
Mar 23, 2009, 04:28 PM
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Are you saying its not going to be competetive or it will be? Because I think the new Ralliart isn't going to be competetive against the older WRX in STX. It doesn't stand a chance in STU against the older and new EVOs and STis ...
I don't think it this car should be excluded from STX because the darn thing weighs 3500lbs and only makes 237HP. Power to weight ratio is much worse than the old 02-04 WRX. Makes you wonder what the SCCA is thinking ...
I don't think it this car should be excluded from STX because the darn thing weighs 3500lbs and only makes 237HP. Power to weight ratio is much worse than the old 02-04 WRX. Makes you wonder what the SCCA is thinking ...
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See I can't find where it clarifies it...
STU:
Example Classifications:
All STS and STX Eligible Cars +
- Audi S4
- BMW M3 (E36 ‘95-’99)
- Chevrolet Camaro 5.7L
- Pontiac GTO
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
(‘03+)
- Subaru WRX STI
- Volvo S60R
We all know the WRX isn't the same as the STi, but maybe they don't make it different?
I've been wrong before... not a big surprise here
STU:
Example Classifications:
All STS and STX Eligible Cars +
- Audi S4
- BMW M3 (E36 ‘95-’99)
- Chevrolet Camaro 5.7L
- Pontiac GTO
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
(‘03+)
- Subaru WRX STI
- Volvo S60R
We all know the WRX isn't the same as the STi, but maybe they don't make it different?
I've been wrong before... not a big surprise here
Mar 23, 2009, 07:51 PM
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It goes on a displacement/FI rating, unless a car is excluded and bumped up to a higher class. the fastrack is in addition to the rules already in the book.
Are you saying its not going to be competetive or it will be? Because I think the new Ralliart isn't going to be competetive against the older WRX in STX. It doesn't stand a chance in STU against the older and new EVOs and STis ...
I don't think it this car should be excluded from STX because the darn thing weighs 3500lbs and only makes 237HP. Power to weight ratio is much worse than the old 02-04 WRX. Makes you wonder what the SCCA is thinking ...
I don't think it this car should be excluded from STX because the darn thing weighs 3500lbs and only makes 237HP. Power to weight ratio is much worse than the old 02-04 WRX. Makes you wonder what the SCCA is thinking ...
Mar 23, 2009, 08:13 PM
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The WRX has had a 2.5 L since 2006. In STX, what mods are legal? The Ralliart does have a more track oriented suspension but it has terrible stock tires and a major weight advantage. If you can change tires (better compound and wider) and brakes, it could be a good STX car. The WRX needs new springs and struts (and maybe sway bars as well) to be a competitive track car.
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Meh. I figured the Ralliart would be a good mix with the WRX and RX-8. However, I feel that once someone builds a competitive RX-8 (which can run 265s in STX, BTW), it's either going to dominate STX or at the very least, be very very competitive with the WRX. It's probably the closest anyone will get to an S2000 in ST*.
Although, STX probably has the most potential in terms of diversity out of any of the ST* classes. I'm not sure if anyone's done it, but I'm willing to bet a properly-prepped 2G AWD DSM would be damn good in STX - double-wishbone suspension all around, good motor with 210hp, lighter than the WRX, still has AWD and turbo torque... pretty sure they have a factory rear LSD as well.
Although, STX probably has the most potential in terms of diversity out of any of the ST* classes. I'm not sure if anyone's done it, but I'm willing to bet a properly-prepped 2G AWD DSM would be damn good in STX - double-wishbone suspension all around, good motor with 210hp, lighter than the WRX, still has AWD and turbo torque... pretty sure they have a factory rear LSD as well.
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