ruffytdog

Hi,

A year or 2 ago, I thought I read somewhere that T-bolt hose clamps were not legal in STU. But, now that I look in the rule book and search on the forums, now I'm not sure. From my translation of the rule book, it is OK to use t-bolt hose clamps. So I just want to confirm it is ok or not.

Thanks,

Mike

btownsoccer22

iTrader: (6)

Rubber bands are only legal

delongedoug

iTrader: (20)

Glad we got your opinion and know you run 22psi bost and have cool mods like 15% tint brah.

spool_sample

iTrader: (3)

I haven't looked at the rulebook, but it's probably okay - definitely so for local events. What part of the rule book are you looking at?

Also, what exactly do you need T-bolt clamps for with stock IC piping?

goofygrin

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I've seen multiple worm crap clamps fall off the stock IC piping (on VIII, IX and X's) at the track. Worm clamps suck.

ruffytdog

For some reason (It was so long I don't remember why), I had to replace one of the original hose clamps with one from Kragen. Now I noticed that that clamp can't hold the hose and it is backing off a little by little over time. So I'm considering getting some t-clamps, so I don't have to worry about hoses popping off.

I went over the rulebook again. There is nothing in the ST section, so I went back to the stock section (pg 59-60). The part about "expendable and considered replacement part" basically says you can only replace with the exact same thing. But the next paragraph says hardware items can be replaced with unrestricted origin. Just as long as I'm not replacing the hardware item to replace a part for higher performance. I think a hose clamp is considered a hardware item. or is it?

Silencer

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Yes, T-bolt clamps for all hoses are legal for STU/BSP.

Dave

Washburn

Yes, but aren't you replacing it with a higher perfoming one?

ruffytdog

I think the rule book is saying hardware items are open. But you are not allowed to change the hardware item as an excuse to change a for a higher performance part (eg. a high performance hose to go with that hose clamp).

Thanks all.

griceiv

iTrader: (2)

my interpretation is that if there is any performance difference (reliability is performance as lame as that sounds) then you can't change them with out a specific allowance to do so. i.e. the entire intake system is unrestricted in SP so you can change charge pipe clamps to what ever you want.

I don't see any such allowance in stock or ST to change from worm drive to t-bolt clamps.

Silencer

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"13.10 ENGINE AND DRIVE TRAIN

J. Silicone replacement hoses are permitted as alternate components, provided they meet the requirements of Section 13.0 with regard to size, shape, location, and performance equivalence. Replacement induction system air intake hoses must also match the standard part in stiffness, contour, and internal wall texture."

Uh-oh

Dave

WickedWhtMR

iTrader: (13)

Funny

Silencer

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"14.10 ENGINE AND DRIVETRAIN

C. The air intake system up to, but not including, the engine inlet
may be modified or replaced. The engine inlet is the throttle
body, carburetor, compressor inlet, or intake manifold,
whichever comes first."

This says I can basically do what I want up to the turbo inlet including hoses and clamps. T-bolt clamps have been clarified for replacement at least since 2004. I have that direct e-mail saved somewhere. I replaced all my factory clamps with T-bolt clamps back in 2004. It is considered a safety replacement part that exceeds the manufacturer's spec.'s and common in the ST (turbo) crowd. How many times have you witnessed someone spraying water/anti-freeze all over the course because their hose or hose clamp failed? or maybe delayed the event because a turbo inlet hose poped off?

What performance advantage? (besides "reliability" interpetation) Is the replacement refined to just turbo cars? Does it gain boost from it's equally- functioning factory counterpart? More power under the curve? The driver must feel more confident so he/she performs better.

Just given you a hard time Marshall.



Dave

donour

iTrader: (6)

True, but _those_ clamps never come off. It's always the ones on the pressurized side that are a worry.

However, I would still argue for their legality under the hardware "nuts/bolts" allowance.

d

Silencer

iTrader: (4)

True, it can only be legal under:

"13. STOCK CATEGORY
Alternate components which are normally expendable and considered replacement parts (e.g., engine and wheel bearings, seals, gaskets, filters, belts, bolts, bulbs, batteries, brake rotors, clutch discs, pressure plates, suspension bushings, drivetrain mounts, etc.) may be used provided they are essentially identical to the standard parts (e.g. have the same type, size, hardness, weight, material etc.), are used in the same location, and provide no performance benefit.

Hardware items (nuts, bolts, etc.) may be replaced by similar items of unrestricted origin. Safety wire, threadlocker compounds, and locking nuts are permitted. These allowances are strictly to allow components to be replaced from alternate sources other than the original manufacturer. They should not be construed as an allowance to replace components with those which could be considered a ‘higher performance’ alternative."


Dave