RaceFab wet sump pan
Dec 10, 2017, 01:44 PM
#376
That bung placement is 50/50. No, the racefab pans don't come with any bungs stock (that I know of) but can be specified if you want it. I personally don't think pressure, or temp, in the pan is more crucial then in the pump aka filter housing which already has the ports. Temp....maybe...because it'd be "interesting" to know what the temp is dripping out of the engine - but at 80psi that's very short lived and the input at the housing would be 1-2 deg difference. On pressure - the only point I see in the pan is if you wanted case pressure - which is a bad idea placement wise to have it submerged like that and are better off in several mid-block areas. I'd rather know what it is post filter where it really matters.
Then you have the issue of a "hole" in your pan which is one more point of failure. Buuut thats just me.
On the other topic of will this, accusump, etc save right handers. The answer is no - but it's better then stock. The ONLY answer to that question is dry sumping, period.
Think of these points as - stock -> wetsump -> accu+wet -> drysump
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Then you have the issue of a "hole" in your pan which is one more point of failure. Buuut thats just me.
On the other topic of will this, accusump, etc save right handers. The answer is no - but it's better then stock. The ONLY answer to that question is dry sumping, period.
Think of these points as - stock -> wetsump -> accu+wet -> drysump
|----|-|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Last edited by Balrok; Dec 10, 2017 at 01:49 PM.
Dec 10, 2017, 02:29 PM
#378
On the other topic of will this, accusump, etc save right handers. The answer is no - but it's better then stock. The ONLY answer to that question is dry sumping, period.
Think of these points as - stock -> wetsump -> accu+wet -> drysump
|----|-|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Makes me think I need to be careful, watch the gauges and stay away from super sticky tires lol. I am looking for a weekend warrior setup and not a full blown professional race car so hopefully the wet sump will be good enough
Dec 10, 2017, 02:36 PM
#379
I've run my temp sensor from the filter housing and now the pan. I don't remember much difference in reading, but it's been a while. If it were a substantial change, I'm sure I'd remember. I like the sensor being in the pan, mostly because the OFH gets crowded with all the sensors and turbo feed line.
Dec 11, 2017, 07:12 AM
#381
Accu's work, but I zoom out and look at the whole package. If I add all the additional lines, tank, and rely on it re-pressurizing itself, then the milliseconds for it to re-pressurize the filter housing - does it really offer you that inth level of safety to be worth it. Reason being - if I add the lines...tank...etc for a Dry sump, I realize how much more it offers for the same risk of weight, leaks, etc. Ignoring cost of course.
That being said - the wetsump offers 10x more protection then stock, but dry offers 100x. I'm running wet on it's 2nd season now without issues but i'm no PA TA car grip levels. So yes at DE speeds you should be fine. Hope that makes sense.
Far as PM'ing for more info - depends on the info. If you want to get on the group buy - heal2toe, if you want general info it's here in this thread.
That being said - the wetsump offers 10x more protection then stock, but dry offers 100x. I'm running wet on it's 2nd season now without issues but i'm no PA TA car grip levels. So yes at DE speeds you should be fine. Hope that makes sense.
Far as PM'ing for more info - depends on the info. If you want to get on the group buy - heal2toe, if you want general info it's here in this thread.
Dec 11, 2017, 07:15 AM
#382
i'm more or less onboard with this given it fits above the stock undertray.
my wallet is hurting with this evo x brake swap business but i think as i shift my focus more towards hpdes this will be worth it.
i've got the kiggly, tomei scraper/windage, and the buschur pan, and will swap in racefab's modified pickup & sump
my wallet is hurting with this evo x brake swap business but i think as i shift my focus more towards hpdes this will be worth it.
i've got the kiggly, tomei scraper/windage, and the buschur pan, and will swap in racefab's modified pickup & sump
Dec 11, 2017, 07:57 AM
#383
Great discussion going on in here; love the back and forth. I too have been pondering the idea of an Accusump as well but it just seems like added complexity and I'd prefer to start with the pan personally and go from there.
Without concrete facts looking at data I think its hard to say which one is better. Both will buy time but a long enough sustained right hander will probably lose pressure regardless after both "reservoirs" are depleted.
So meanwhile looks like we're over the threshold to get this group buy initiated! There are still a bunch of details that need to be worked out so I am doing my best to keep it organized and make sure we're all on the same page, know the associated costs up front and we all end up with what we are after in regards to specific requests like temp bungs new vs sending in your own pan, turbo oil return line etc.
I will PM everyone on this list to start and compile that information. I know for some folks this is time sensitive and others would prefer if we stall it some so this is by no means game on just yet but certainly in motion.
If you dont see your name on this list and are interested send me a PM. This is simply a list of people who either messaged me or expressed interest in here.
Heel2toe
Kyoo
Hoojin
BillAce
MT057
Willitas34
Without concrete facts looking at data I think its hard to say which one is better. Both will buy time but a long enough sustained right hander will probably lose pressure regardless after both "reservoirs" are depleted.
So meanwhile looks like we're over the threshold to get this group buy initiated! There are still a bunch of details that need to be worked out so I am doing my best to keep it organized and make sure we're all on the same page, know the associated costs up front and we all end up with what we are after in regards to specific requests like temp bungs new vs sending in your own pan, turbo oil return line etc.
I will PM everyone on this list to start and compile that information. I know for some folks this is time sensitive and others would prefer if we stall it some so this is by no means game on just yet but certainly in motion.
If you dont see your name on this list and are interested send me a PM. This is simply a list of people who either messaged me or expressed interest in here.
Heel2toe
Kyoo
Hoojin
BillAce
MT057
Willitas34
Dec 11, 2017, 08:28 AM
#384
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (1)
Accu's work, but I zoom out and look at the whole package. If I add all the additional lines, tank, and rely on it re-pressurizing itself, then the milliseconds for it to re-pressurize the filter housing - does it really offer you that inth level of safety to be worth it. Reason being - if I add the lines...tank...etc for a Dry sump, I realize how much more it offers for the same risk of weight, leaks, etc. Ignoring cost of course.
That being said - the wetsump offers 10x more protection then stock, but dry offers 100x. I'm running wet on it's 2nd season now without issues but i'm no PA TA car grip levels. So yes at DE speeds you should be fine. Hope that makes sense.
Far as PM'ing for more info - depends on the info. If you want to get on the group buy - heal2toe, if you want general info it's here in this thread.
That being said - the wetsump offers 10x more protection then stock, but dry offers 100x. I'm running wet on it's 2nd season now without issues but i'm no PA TA car grip levels. So yes at DE speeds you should be fine. Hope that makes sense.
Far as PM'ing for more info - depends on the info. If you want to get on the group buy - heal2toe, if you want general info it's here in this thread.
Dec 11, 2017, 10:43 AM
#385
I chatted with Mike from PA at PRI this past weekend. We didn't talk much about starvation but he did mention that the PA car will be making the jump to a dry sump at some point. It is pretty crazy that both PA and the RS guys are still on wet sumps.
Dec 12, 2017, 06:40 AM
#386
Evolving Member
Regarding the accusump, at what minimum pressure does it activate to pump oil back into the filter housing?
If running the electronic valve, could it not be activated by ECU to operate when over a certain rev range with a set minim pressure.
Ive just got my own Racefab sump and will be fitting it along with the Accusump I have eventually.
If running the electronic valve, could it not be activated by ECU to operate when over a certain rev range with a set minim pressure.
Ive just got my own Racefab sump and will be fitting it along with the Accusump I have eventually.
Last edited by TimC909; Dec 12, 2017 at 07:24 AM.
Dec 16, 2017, 03:27 AM
#387
Evolving Member
oohhhhh I really wish i saw this earlier. Ive been eyeing up those racefab pans for over a month now. If someone could PM me with rough pricing, I might be able to squeeze the budget to get in on the list. I would say I am flaky though.
Dec 29, 2017, 08:00 AM
#390
Sorry Im just seeing this now...with the holidays Rob has been slammed so I've yet to get an update from him. This is still happening and after the new year we should be in much better shape to get this underway.
I was just hoping to hear back and finalize the details before I start taking payments and having folks ship out pans and things of that nature.
If you have any questions ask away or feel free to pm me
I was just hoping to hear back and finalize the details before I start taking payments and having folks ship out pans and things of that nature.
If you have any questions ask away or feel free to pm me