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Burtonrider1002 May 26, 2013 12:41 AM

Time for new tires!
 
So I have 47k on my '11, and I'm down to the wear indicators on my OEM Goodyears. They have been "meh" and I have no desire to replace them, especially at $200 a pop.

After poking around TireRack, I'm looking at the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus. It is not available in a 225/55R18, so I'd be getting it in 235/55R18. Speedo will only be off by about 1% at 60MPH, and the difference in revolutions per mile isn't too bad either (see image below).

Reviews, surveys, and magazine tests are all quite impressive, and they are a "low rolling resistance" tire so I think that should even out the added resistance of a 235 wide, and of course the 235 should look a lot better under there.

Your thoughts?

https://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/ti...235x55xR18.png

https://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/ti...235x55xR18.png





TireRack.com - Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires...erenp_1000.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires...renp_ci2_l.jpg http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires...renp_ci1_l.jpg http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires...renp_ci3_l.jpg

mRVRsport May 26, 2013 06:34 AM

thoughts...?
Well, those tight spacing > it'll definitely be a "quieter" ride.

But, I'm not a fan of those asymmetrical tread designs... they're always off when it comes to the way it they mount from one side to the other. Here's what I mean >

Driver side:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...river-side.jpg

Passenger side:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...ssage-side.jpg

The angle of the "inner" tread face will always have one side that's angled the wrong way.


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Since I'm fairly frugal... I suggest you go with the original spec-ed tire size and look at these Pirellis (Pirelli P6 Four Seasons Plus : 225/55R18 97H FRD B) >
And, @ $133 each (Discount Tire), hard to beat on price. {thumbup}
http://www.discounttire.com/product/...pirhhf.ang.jpg

http://www.discounttire.com/product/...pirhhf.trd.jpg

At least the tread is symmetrical and no matter how you flip them, their tread pattern will be the same.

Burtonrider1002 May 26, 2013 07:15 AM

Ah, yes, I forgot to mention I know a guy who owns a Bridgestone store, so I can get the ones in the OP for $159 each.

I'll reply to the rest in a little while, gotta run for now. Thanks for the input though!

mRVRsport May 26, 2013 07:36 AM

^
Sure. Anytime.
That's cool to have a hookup like that.. The price looks better at $159.

But, just in case you didn't know. There's a $50 rebate (instant online, expires tomorrow though) on the pirellis (when you buy 4). Just a heads up.

Burtonrider1002 May 26, 2013 08:58 AM

So you got me thinking about the asymmetrical thing!

Here's TireRack's thoughts:


When shopping for tires, it pays to make sure you're getting the right tread design for your driving needs. The three most common tread designs are: symmetrical, asymmetrical and directional/unidirectional. Each tread design serves a specific purpose that will effect driving characteristics and tire rotations.

Symmetric Tread Pattern

A symmetric tread pattern is the most common and features continuous ribs or independent tread blocks across the entire tread face where both inboard and outboard halves feature the same pattern. Tires featuring symmetric tread patterns allow using multiple tire rotation patterns. Two of our highest rated all-season tires with a symmetrical tread pattern are the Michelin Primacy MXV4 and Hankook Optimo H727.

Asymmetric Tread Pattern

An asymmetric pattern is designed to blend the requirements of dry grip and water dispersal/snow traction where the tread pattern changes across the face of the tire. An asymmetric tread pattern typically incorporates larger tread ribs/blocks on the outboard side to increase cornering stability on dry surfaces by offering greater contact area. This also helps to reduce tread squirm and heat buildup on the outside shoulder. The inboard side usually has smaller independent tread blocks to aid wet and/or winter traction when driving straight ahead. Tires with asymmetric tread patterns allow using multiple tire rotation patterns. Two of our highest rated all-season asymmetrical tires are the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus and Continental ExtremeContact DWS.

[...]

and



It's very common for a customer to get very excited over the tread pattern of their newly purchased asymmetric tires. While I agree the look of the grooves would lead you to have them pointing in a downward direction during rotation, the reality is there isn't a significant enough of difference for it to matter.

With an asymmetric design you need the larger shoulder block on the outside to take the abuse during cornering, this is more important than the direction of the groove on the inboard shoulder for water evacuation. The groove channels are small enough that the water will escape to the circumferential grooves when under speed. There's an unbelievable amount of force being exerted on the tire when the leading edge hits the road. Water is going to move through those lateral grooves out to the circumferential grooves for evacuation due to the force being exerted. Those grooves must also have an angle to them. While they would work just as well if they were perpendicular to the larger circumferential grooves, the tire would be very loud. By introducing an angle, noise levels are lowered.



Testing data and feedback on the tire is based on them mounted with the outside marking facing outside. The tire will perform as intended when installed in this manner. There's no left side and right design available. The fact remains, the engineers designing these tires are achieving the performance goals with this design. You'll see this on tires from all brands using an asymmetric approach.


mRVRsport May 26, 2013 05:23 PM

^
Nice info... but,
Granted we aren't pushing our O.Sports like track cars to really test those claims, nor am I an engineer who design tires that can give you data to back it up.

All I'm saying is that in my opinion, I tend to hesitate on those asymmetrical tires because of the direction of those tread which are different from one side of the vehicle to the other. (as shown above)

I don't know about you, just knowing my tires (treads) are not ALL pointing in the same direction would bother me to no end.

Side Note:
If I'm not mistaken - isn't having those two major channels near the center (as seen on those Pirrellis) of the tire Better than any kind of "grooves in blocks" design anyways? As to "pumping" out water out of the contact patch?

Burtonrider1002 May 26, 2013 05:35 PM

Idk for sure, but the one article said that the groove location/angle was basically irrelevant because no matter what the water is going to go down the groove.


I don't mind the tread facing opposite so long as it does not hurt the performance, and according to the article it really shouldn't.


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Burtonrider1002 May 26, 2013 05:45 PM

Idk for sure, but the one article said that the groove location/angle was basically irrelevant because no matter what the water is going to go down the groove.


I don't mind the tread facing opposite so long as it does not hurt the performance, and according to the article it really shouldn't.


,

mRVRsport May 27, 2013 03:29 PM

^
Double posting... a little antsy with getting your point across, aye. :rolleyes:

Actually I've experienced tires that aren't designed so well (even though they were "all season") in wet weather conditions, and I can feel how it pulls my vehicle to one side when I hit that rain puddle, so it Does matter how the grooves and/or channels are designed.

Burtonrider1002 May 27, 2013 09:03 PM

:dunno: I was basing it off the article. That writer doesn't seem to have any specific credentials I can find though.

I'm not dead-set on the asymmetrical tires (or else I'd have just bought them already), and I said you raised a valid point that I ended up looking into, so I'm not sure why the eye rolling...

mRVRsport May 27, 2013 09:59 PM

The eye rolling was because I was drunk..

Burtonrider1002 May 27, 2013 10:28 PM

Well now I'm just jealous.

speddmn May 28, 2013 09:35 AM

FWIW i put my first set of LRR tires on my pig about 10 months ago

Pro's
gas mileage, very little wear

Cons
ice skates in the snow, not the worst ever but i've driven a track car on snow with falken Azenis and had more traction at times
They're not great in rain either

Burtonrider1002 May 28, 2013 10:49 AM

Snow is irrelevant, I have a second set of rims/tires for the winter.

That bit about the rain is quite concerning though...

mRVRsport May 28, 2013 01:57 PM

Rain is definitely a major concern for us here.
We get them randomly and drivers here go about their business driving 65-70MPH like it was still dry pavement. And, only slow their ass down after there's an accident.

speddmn May 29, 2013 06:25 AM

FWIW I have high expectations for traction- doing 75 in the rain on the freeway doesn't bother me and seems safe enough on these things- but getting understeer in a 15mph 90* turn does bother me.

I guess the best way to say it is that the LRR tires really lack lateral grip and it's very apparent in the rain/snow. OTOH - sideways errry day!

Ramaht May 29, 2013 07:30 AM

75mph is normal highway speeds over here, and actually by times they are even higher (ofcourse only when driving in Germany ;) )

On my previous car I had Michelin Energy's, LRR tires. When they we're done I've swapped them for Vredestein Sporttrac3 tires, and got the same mileage on a tank of gas with added joy in the corners & rain ;)
Those LRR's where terrible in the snow, that much I remember.

The stock tires here are Yokohama A349. They're not bad, but not great either. Could be better in the rain, but don't disappoint. Drove them on the snow also, was surprised with it. We don't have that much snow a year, but you could drive properly. Not like the previous car with the LRR's, that was horrible.

If the Yoko's are gone, we'll swap for all seasons. Probably Pirelli Scorpion Verde AS. We have a climate without extremes, and AS is the best choice for us.
If we would have winters with more snow, I'll go for two sets and the summer set would have more sporty tires.

mRVRsport May 29, 2013 08:17 AM

I guess that's another "something" I should have stripped off my old O.Sport... those wheels. Then I would have two complete sets of summer and winter wheels!

TEXAS TRAVISTY Sep 9, 2014 10:04 AM

1 Attachment(s)
incase anyone was wanting to go bigger on tires, I love the A/T tires

Burtonrider1002 Sep 10, 2014 01:48 PM

Whoa... You should post some pics from a little further away so we could see the whole car. That looks awesome though!

TEXAS TRAVISTY Sep 10, 2014 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Burtonrider1002 (Post 11298560)
Whoa... You should post some pics from a little further away so we could see the whole car. That looks awesome though!

Jaos.com has it on their site.

Fazzster Sep 11, 2014 08:15 AM

After putting on 16" Sparco Terras' I was pleasantly reminded how a lighter wheel package can transform the feel of a low power car. Even with the clunky 70 profile all terrain tires, this package is much lighter than the stockers. The suspension feels less burdened and if you are driving a manual like me, the car accelerates much quicker. I am very happy with my choice.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...arco_small.jpg

Outlander 911 Dec 21, 2014 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Fazzster (Post 11299065)
After putting on 16" Sparco Terras' I was pleasantly reminded how a lighter wheel package can transform the feel of a low power car. Even with the clunky 70 profile all terrain tires, this package is much lighter than the stockers. The suspension feels less burdened and if you are driving a manual like me, the car accelerates much quicker. I am very happy with my choice.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...arco_small.jpg



What size of 16" tires are those?????


What about the rims?????

paleblue46 Jan 5, 2015 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by TEXAS TRAVISTY (Post 11297478)
incase anyone was wanting to go bigger on tires, I love the A/T tires

Ditto , had BFG AT's on my Cherokee and loved then to .. any specs to go with that pic ?

AWCAWD Dec 14, 2017 09:35 AM

I have found a comprehensive database (in German but Google translate works sufficiently) containing owners' reviews of countless brands and types:
http://www.reifentest.com/

Landshark Dec 15, 2017 04:58 AM

getting close to needing new ones for the OS.

last time i needed tires (besides snow tires) was 8 years ago, and went with Conti ExtremeComtact DWS's on my Evo, and liked them enough to get them for the wife's Forester. Wondering if they are still one of the better all-seasons as far as performance/value, or if there are better choices since then ...

i liked the fact that the Conti's were even pretty good in light snow. i have dedicated snow tires on my car, but the wife's OS will just get all-seasons, because she doesn't put a lot of miles on it, and doesn't go out if its snowing a lot. :lol:

any quick opinions?

AWCAWD Dec 15, 2017 06:40 AM

New All-Weather Tires Outperform Some Snow Tires | Consumer Reports
 

Originally Posted by Landshark (Post 11792518)
getting close to needing new ones for the OS.

last time i needed tires (besides snow tires) was 8 years ago, and went with Conti ExtremeComtact DWS's on my Evo, and liked them enough to get them for the wife's Forester. Wondering if they are still one of the better all-seasons as far as performance/value, or if there are better choices since then ...

i liked the fact that the Conti's were even pretty good in light snow. i have dedicated snow tires on my car, but the wife's OS will just get all-seasons, because she doesn't put a lot of miles on it, and doesn't go out if its snowing a lot. :lol:

any quick opinions?

Although I am a dedicated supporter of separate sets for winter and summer, here is a new test I found from Consumer Reports. The claim is very appealing ( see the title of the post).

mRVRsport Dec 15, 2017 02:12 PM

^
Good to know we now have new choices for winter tires.
Thanks AWCAWD!

Landshark Dec 16, 2017 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by AWCAWD (Post 11792532)
Although I am a dedicated supporter of separate sets for winter and summer, here is a new test I found from Consumer Reports. The claim is very appealing ( see the title of the post).

thanks, i figured there was a jump in tire tech in the last 8 years or so. ;)

i am also a supporter of dedicated snow tires as i work until midnight and often get to drive home on unplowed, unsalted roads. for this reason any car i buy (last 4 cars) is AWD *AND* they get snow tires. i drove my old Subaru Legacy GT on Blizzaks home from work around abandoned-in-the-middle-of-the-road SUV's and Jeeps back in the big snowstorm of 2010.

i don't bother with the OS because my wife doesn't really go out if its snowy. in 2.5 years, it has less than 8500 miles on it. :lol: if we go anywhere when the roads are covered, we take my car. i still want something decent in case she's out and gets caught in a bit of snow.

i don't see either of those tires on Tire Rack or Discount Tire Direct, but shouldn't have a problem getting them from my local tire shop.

thanks again. :)

saintpauljeff Jan 22, 2020 01:02 PM

sorry to bump an old thread... so what has everyone been putting on for new tires lately??

Hamman Jan 23, 2020 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by saintpauljeff (Post 11898501)
sorry to bump an old thread... so what has everyone been putting on for new tires lately??

I'm looking into doing a set of Falken Wildpeak AT3's soon. 235/75-15 or 30x9.50r15. I'd love to get some aluminum rims but in time :)

Paul Amatulli Jan 24, 2020 04:56 AM

I just ordered the cheapest tires ive ever bought at $275 shipped for all 4 225/55/18(stock). They are called Achilles atr sport 2. I was intrigued that cheap tires like this has so many reviews, across sites and forums and also with drift cars & some Mazda 6 that came with 19" wheels everyone switches over to these.
So I lifted my OS and then put stoc.k size summer tires lol.
I had a set of sparco terras on my SX-4 and they were good quality wheels. I noticed there are several "lookalike" options out there now even on tirerack.

Check out Fifteen52 integrale wheels I think they would look good on an outlander sport and are not expensive (relative to other wheels). There is a 17inch 42 offset size that should fit well.





saintpauljeff Jan 24, 2020 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Hamman (Post 11898573)
I'm looking into doing a set of Falken Wildpeak AT3's soon. 235/75-15 or 30x9.50r15. I'd love to get some aluminum rims but in time :)

I like the Wildpeaks! But Costco doesn't sell them... Anyone ever try the BFG Advantage TA Sports? Been trying to read up on opinions of those, Costco had a good sale on them.

Hamman Jan 24, 2020 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Paul Amatulli (Post 11898640)
I just ordered the cheapest tires ive ever bought at $275 shipped for all 4 225/55/18(stock). They are called Achilles atr sport 2. I was intrigued that cheap tires like this has so many reviews, across sites and forums and also with drift cars & some Mazda 6 that came with 19" wheels everyone switches over to these.
So I lifted my OS and then put stoc.k size summer tires lol.
I had a set of sparco terras on my SX-4 and they were good quality wheels. I noticed there are several "lookalike" options out there now even on tirerack.

Check out Fifteen52 integrale wheels I think they would look good on an outlander sport and are not expensive (relative to other wheels). There is a 17inch 42 offset size that should fit well.

These days there are so many "cheaper" brands of tire companies out there I'm sure it is hard for the big name ones to compete! Hell, you can get a full set of 235/75r15 MT tires off walmart for 315 shipped! They come with a 4 year 2/32" warranty and some even have a road side assistance program. I am actually now looking into the Accelera MT01. Cheap all season MT tire with tons and tons of great reviews! At that price I can get a 5th wheel and tire and do 5 tire rotations.

Paul Amatulli Jan 25, 2020 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by saintpauljeff (Post 11898649)
I like the Wildpeaks! But Costco doesn't sell them... Anyone ever try the BFG Advantage TA Sports? Been trying to read up on opinions of those, Costco had a good sale on them.

I have not tried those, but I'd imagine they are tamer than K02s :p I would read reviews off a google search on forums and tirerack because I'm sure they sell those.

I used Costco once for a Jeep but the one near me will only install factory sizes whatever your car/truck came with; Which isn't normally a problem I guess for most people, but also they were more expensive if not on sale*. I bet they have a nice balancing machine though, that's what makes a good tire mounting for me I hate vibrations.



saintpauljeff Jan 28, 2020 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Paul Amatulli (Post 11898746)
I have not tried those, but I'd imagine they are tamer than K02s :p I would read reviews off a google search on forums and tirerack because I'm sure they sell those.

I used Costco once for a Jeep but the one near me will only install factory sizes whatever your car/truck came with; Which isn't normally a problem I guess for most people, but also they were more expensive if not on sale*. I bet they have a nice balancing machine though, that's what makes a good tire mounting for me I hate vibrations.

Costco did a good job with price and labor on another one of my vehicles, not to mention I like their warranty :) This is the wife's car so OEM size is just fine for me, ha.

dal9 May 25, 2020 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by saintpauljeff (Post 11898649)
I like the Wildpeaks! But Costco doesn't sell them... Anyone ever try the BFG Advantage TA Sports? Been trying to read up on opinions of those, Costco had a good sale on them.

i put TA Sports on after i almost went off a bridge on the stocks at about 35-40K. huge improvement in the snow. put about 20K on since, good so far through two upstate winters.


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