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bigric09 Mar 14, 2010 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by ohhgyeahfasho (Post 8092880)
The old 88591715 XML file that was inlcuded from the previous 88591715-V7-SD release interferes with the new TephraMOD-88591715-v7 XML that you included in the new download. For people who have downloaded the new 88591715-V7-SD release and are still unable to see the SD tables, go to your XML folder and delete the 88591715 XML. Big thanks to tephra, phenem, recompile, scheides, and bigric09! :)

As Phenem pointed out... the new XML was the major change as the first one didnt have the SD stuff in it.

FYI, the settings in the actual rom for SD, unless phenem changed it, are what im using on my current setup and they seem to work perfectly. I am running a 35R and a built bottom end.

evo8dad Mar 14, 2010 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by phenem (Post 8092073)

What does everyone think Omni 4 bar or JDM 3 bar?

JDM for the over whelming majority of the cars I built unless they are running larger turbos making a significant amount of boost.

Seijuro Mar 14, 2010 02:01 PM

Discrepancy Between 0706 and 2706
 

Originally Posted by Seijuro (Post 8094059)
I tried switching to l2r99gst's 96532706 for live maps, but the tables don't match up. It seems some tables exist in Phenem's that don't exist in l2r99gst's, and the other way around. This could be that they're just named and grouped differently, but I haven't been able to get everything to match up.

I tried my best to make what I could find match what I already had, but the car won't start and it's fuel related.

What I did find, is that the Maf sensor filtering for all roms I've used has Hi = 192, Lo=217.

In l2r99gst's, this comes set Hi=24, Lo=5. Way different.

If I change this to match my original settings, the car doesn't start.

If I keep this, but change my other settings to my original working settings, the car will start but is pig rich. STFT maxes out to -25. What this setting actually does I have no idea.

So, I did a fresh openecu install. I copied TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml and TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml in their unmodified form to the evo folder in metadata.

I then opened 96530706-TephraMod-phenem.bin and 96532706-TephraMod-l2r99gst-dma.bin in their unmodified form in two separate instances.

Here's an example of discrepancies that I am seeing. 0706 on the left, 2706 on the right. Circled in red are a few of the things that are unique to each side.

Circled in pink is an example of an item that exists in both "Start Injector Pulse Width Latency in milliseconds", but in two different places, and with two *very* different values. 0706 is has 2.592 milliseconds for it's value, 2706 has 432 milliseconds.

I'm an idiot when it comes to xml, but these are in their unmodified forms as presented when downloaded. I don't know which one is "right".

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_qYyRooKotLI/S5...fferences.jpeg

Because of these problems, I am unable to transfer values in my 0706 rom over to 2706.

evo8dad Mar 14, 2010 02:07 PM

Phenem - what's the deal with the 9417 MUT table? Every other column has all "FFFF"s...

evo8dad Mar 14, 2010 02:27 PM

One other thing - it doesn't look like the MAT patch has been applied to the 9417 (or 9653 for that matter ROMs0. Is the patch not needed with the new ROMs?

Seijuro Mar 14, 2010 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Seijuro (Post 8094222)
So, I did a fresh openecu install. I copied TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml and TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml in their unmodified form to the evo folder in metadata.

I then opened 96530706-TephraMod-phenem.bin and 96532706-TephraMod-l2r99gst-dma.bin in their unmodified form in two separate instances.

Here's an example of discrepancies that I am seeing. 0706 on the left, 2706 on the right. Circled in red are a few of the things that are unique to each side.

Circled in pink is an example of an item that exists in both "Start Injector Pulse Width Latency in milliseconds", but in two different places, and with two *very* different values. 0706 is has 2.592 milliseconds for it's value, 2706 has 432 milliseconds.

I'm an idiot when it comes to xml, but these are in their unmodified forms as presented when downloaded. I don't know which one is "right".

Because of these problems, I am unable to transfer values in my 0706 rom over to 2706.

So in an effort to fix this, I'm doing the following in my C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo directory

I renamed TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml to TephraMOD-96532706-v7.bak

I copied TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml creating "Copy of TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml" and renamed this copy to TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml

I opened TephraMOD-96532706-v7.bak with wordpad, and scrolled down until I found <!--BEGIN DMA-LiveMap DEFINITIONS--> which is near the bottom. I copied everything from that line to the bottom.

I opened my newly-renamed TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml. At the top there is a line <internalidhex>96530706</internalidhex>, I changed this to
<internalidhex>96532706</internalidhex>

I then scrolled to the bottom, and added all the DMA-LiveMAP Definitions that I copied from TephraMOD-96532706-v7.bak

Now when I opened Phenem's 0706 and l2r99gst's 2706, all the tables and trees are the same all the way down. (values are not equal because the roms are not the same, but the tables and trees are)

Consequently (and this may be the most important part) I am no longer seeing the strange values that I was seeing before for certain fields.

I think maybe there is something wrong with the xml that is being distributed with 2706. I have not tested yet if mine works, I'm still inside finishing up moving my values over, and just wanted to document what I'm doing while I'm here.

If this works, I'll post up the xml that I am using in case it may help others.


EDIT: It works. However, I'm not going to post my xml in light of Phenem's restructure (3 posts down) which should resolve the issue.

Appauldd Mar 14, 2010 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by evo8dad (Post 8094248)
Phenem - what's the deal with the 9417 MUT table? Every other column has all "FFFF"s...

That was the old way of setting it up....it will work fine. If you notice the areas with the FFFF do not have locations at the top.

voidhawk Mar 14, 2010 03:59 PM

Is there a how-to (or pre-edited version) for the v7 ROM on 96940011 that includes the JDM MAP based direct boost control?

Thanks for the fantastic work everyone!

phenem Mar 14, 2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Seijuro (Post 8094222)
So, I did a fresh openecu install. I copied TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml and TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml in their unmodified form to the evo folder in metadata.
Because of these problems, I am unable to transfer values in my 0706 rom over to 2706.

These two XML's are different and based off of two different XML's. I would suggest you download the latest SD and MAF ROM (Option 4 or 5 for 9653 ROM) and transplanting the DMA stuff into that XML.


Originally Posted by evo8dad (Post 8094248)
Phenem - what's the deal with the 9417 MUT table? Every other column has all "FFFF"s...


Originally Posted by evo8dad (Post 8094305)
One other thing - it doesn't look like the MAT patch has been applied to the 9417 (or 9653 for that matter ROMs0. Is the patch not needed with the new ROMs?

MAT patch is not applied to the 9417 ROM you have to do that yourself you want to log air temp through that patch.


Originally Posted by Seijuro (Post 8094395)
So in an effort to fix this, I'm doing the following in my C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo directory

I renamed TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml to TephraMOD-96532706-v7.bak

I copied TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml creating "Copy of TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml" and renamed this copy to TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml

I opened TephraMOD-96532706-v7.bak with wordpad, and scrolled down until I found <!--BEGIN DMA-LiveMap DEFINITIONS--> which is near the bottom. I copied everything from that line to the bottom.

[COLOR=black]I opened my newly-renamed TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml. At the top there is a line <internalidhex>96530706</internalidhex>, I changed this to
<internalidhex>96532706</internalidhex>

I then scrolled to the bottom, and added all the DMA-LiveMAP Definitions that I copied from TephraMOD-96532706-v7.bak

You are very close, looks like you already tried what I mentioned above. This should have fixed your problem. Please let us know.


Originally Posted by voidhawk (Post 8094543)
Is there a how-to (or pre-edited version) for the v7 ROM on 96940011 that includes the JDM MAP based direct boost control?

Thanks for the fantastic work everyone!

Yes use the v7 ROM and implement this into the XML and you should be good to go: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...t-control.html

phenem Mar 14, 2010 06:16 PM

Check this out, just in case anyone missed it:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...velopment.html

Great for anyone doing SD! {thumbup}

got boost?? Mar 14, 2010 06:52 PM

Hi guys,
today i uploaded the 88580714 v7 tephra rom in a friends car wich has from factory the 88580014 one, and it worked fine!!! started great, made some pulls, launch map woking, everything ok!! Now at launch i get 1.35 bar! BUT.... when triying to launch as soon as you release the cluch the engine stalls and cant get a clean launch!
Any sugestion.

Regards.

bigric09 Mar 14, 2010 06:53 PM

what do your launch maps look like ?

phenem Mar 14, 2010 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by got boost?? (Post 8094949)
Hi guys,
today i uploaded the 88580714 v7 tephra rom in a friends car wich has from factory the 88580014 one, and it worked fine!!! started great, made some pulls, launch map woking, everything ok!! Now at launch i get 1.35 bar! BUT.... when triying to launch as soon as you release the cluch the engine stalls and cant get a clean launch!
Any sugestion.

Regards.

Yeah you need to take you regular map and where you launch from and smooth it in so you don't stall. That's a tuning issue. {thumbup}

phenem Mar 14, 2010 08:17 PM

OK guys,

I changed the XML stucture that Jack_of_Trades implemented. I did this because I kept on getting changes to the different XML files and changing 4 different files was difficult to keep up with. Also hard to keep track of what was changed and testing it.

So here is how it is done:

94170715 - TephraMOD-94170715-v7.xml


94171715 - TephraMOD-94171715-v7.xml
Inherits TephraMOD-94170715-v7.xml


96530706 - TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml


96531706 - TephraMOD-96531706-v7.xml
Inherits TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml


96532706 - TephraMOD-96532706-v7.xml
Inherits TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml


96533706 - TephraMOD-96533706-v7.xml
Inherits TephraMOD-96530706-v7.xml
Inherits TephraMOD-96531706-v7.xml


88590715 - TephraMOD-88590715-v7.xml


88591715 - TephraMOD-88591715-v7.xml
Inherits TephraMOD-88590715-v7.xml


Basically this allows us to update one XML file if there is a change that would effect all versions of the ROM files (ie: MAF, SD, DMA, DMA/SD). That way you only have to keep one main XML file and then the differences are in the SD and DMA versions. Keeps things organized better.

HOWEVER there is a drawback, it moves the differences to the top of the map. So if you have an SD ROM the SD Programming and Tuning are now right at the top, and same with DMA and DMA/SD. This is no big deal to me just need to get adjusted to where it is at now.

I updated the second post and uploaded all new ZIP files. Please re-download and use the updated XML files. I have also added an XML Pack that includes every XML file for every ROM for v7 for the people that just want the XML updates.

XML Pack for ALL EVO's - Download | Mirror

bigric09 Mar 15, 2010 03:42 AM

That last part was a good idea...

Those of us that tune multiple cars, it makes life easier. If you want, i can send you my start maps.... i have 3 VIII and 3 IX roms to use as bases..... 1 in each bracket to deal with the stock, jdm and omni map sensor so i dont have to go back and keep searching for the settings, it saves time on the dyno. I pretty much switch all VIIIs to the 9653 rom and the IXs to the 8859.


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