FP stated that the Red is 60lb/min.

HTA Green - 54lb/min
Red - 60lb/min
Black - 68lb/min

So, if the BBKB is 60lb/min also, it should be comparable to a Red, but only testing will tell. I would love to see a back to back comparison of both turbos at different boost levels as well as being maxed out.

do you think a Red with the 84mm intake (surge cover) will produce more top end due to the larger intake?

I was just going off of what Chad had posted a number of times. But if FP says the Red is 60, then they would know.

Thanks guys! If I am reading the info correctly, then both the FP Red and BBK-B compressors flow substantially the same amount of air. Allow me to state that I am not into arguing about which turbo might be better. For all I know, the BBK-B may well flow more air than the HTA Green and spool faster than the FP Red. In which case it will prove to be a landmark turbo. So, to each his own. Still the BBK-B is an impressive turbo in its own right.{thumbup}

Any of these turbo's available for Beta testing? I'd sure like to try one out. I've had the 64mm red, the 80mm red, the stock 9, and soon a std FP Green.... I'd like to give one the CBRD turbo's a try.

subs

Does anyone know anything about this. I saw on FP's website that their 84mm intake (surge cover) will fit with the bbk turbos. Maybe Chad can test one on the BBK-B

Good question, I'm definitely going with the B over the red but maybe get the 84mm cover for it if it makes a difference.

BBK turbo's DO NOT need the FP oil line because they use the Stock CHRA. FP turbo's use their own CHRA that requires more oil.

actually cbrd released the bbk full and made the original fp green obsolete, then fp got a hold of a bbk full and then released their new hta green to try and stay competetive in that power range.

i hope chad doesnt mind me comenting on the bbk b, but when they were testing the the original bbk full they actually made at least two different size compressor wheels and chose to use the smaller one, the one currently in the full. better response and spool is what they were after with the full, being they have a lot of road race and track going clients that run on pump gas 93. when caleb worked there he actually had the larger prototype bbk full on his car for testing and daily driving. thats where the bbk b came from, the original bbk full testing. they are not using the same exact compressor but the size is similar and they are using a different design from testing with their time attack car.

jeff

This means that you are gonna do a straight up, objective comparison of the BBK-B and the 80MM Red, right, R/T? Cool! This should be totally interesting and enlightening. {thumbup}

Granted, the above quote may arguably have some merit. However, it could likewise be argued that the introduction of the HTA Green has in turn, converted the BBK-Full into an obsolete slag. This mantra(the obsolescence of the Old School Green on the heels of the introduction of the CBRD BBK) has been harped on repeatedly, ad infinitum, by a loyal core of CBRD supporters.

To the best of my knowledge, the only real comparative data is that set forth by a single source: Bryan at GST, who just happens to be a CBRD Beta tester. There are few if any other independent comparative tests done on the same car given identical variables where just the Old Green is swapped out for the BBK.

Mellon for one has gotten a lot of power and torque out of the old Green recently on pumpgas. There is definitely a lack of independent comparative data. If R/T Ernie is willing to do comparative testing between the Red and the BBK-B then this is a good thing. It will go a long way toward clearing up the assumptions, and generalizations, as well as some of the smoke and the mumbo jumbo.

great idea R/TErnie, the only thing is are you going to test a BBK-B with a surge cover? i would imagine that the RED will flow more up top with the surge cover due to the bigger intake inlet but i could be wrong

i figure no matter what the outcome will be there will always be speculations :lol:

i tried to do that but apparently no one wants to listen.:crap:

jeff

we never copied the FP design on anything,

nor does the FP information have any place in our thread ;) this is about our turbos, if you want to discuss FP's by all means start an FP thread ;)

THE BBK-B is drastically different than the BBK when it comes to compressor technology, it's just a completely different bag of chips ;)

regardless, im going to have the mods clean up this thread, because of the BS being thrown around, sorry guys!

anyway, we are closed this week, im here before I leave for vacation!

cheers

cb