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mitsuorder Sep 12, 2012 08:12 PM

mitsuorder's 4g69 experiment
 
Let me start this off with the fact that this is an experiment. I began with wanting to push the Evolution IX Mivec head/4g69 block combo to the limits so as to provide information on a potential option to the community. Huge advocate of sharing information, the good, the bad, the ugly. Hiding it does nothing for any of us.

With that said here is my 6466 4g69 build. Heading out of the country in October for a while so wrapping it all up this month. It is not running yet but everything is here. Been a lot of planning, looking at what was available, and simply wanting to do things right. Least competitive person you'll ever meet so check the machismo neanderthal stuff at the door please {thumbup}

I will be updating this and answering any question to be had. Have held off on putting it all up as I didn't want to lead anyone in the wrong direction since nothing has fired, run, or blown up as of yet haha. But seriously though guys, this is an experiment. I did it because I wanted to see what would happen with this iron block if you pushed it with a build that has had no real limit, within reason, or deadline. So here are the pics.

4g69 out of an '05 Ralliart which had hydrolocked from a cai.
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2066/44580817.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4568/94706528.jpg

Supposedly the lightest 100mm crank Mitsu had made up to that point in time. Let's see when she lets go.
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I wanted to test fit the old ix block's water pump before ordering anything for sure. Evolution VIII and IX water pumps fit this block like a glove. No spacer or modification needed.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1765/57750458.jpg

Cosworth h11 tapered tip head studs
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5733/58430731.jpg

As per their instructions a torque angle gauge was required for sequencing. For anyone who has used these or is considering so that is a LOT of torque.
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Prob the same h11 tapered that everyone else sells but with some laser etching. Got a deal on them and felt like being a brand whore one night.
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Figured why risk reusing lifters that have debris in them and why not finally upgrade to see if lifter tick could be alleviated a bit. Snagged some ITM big bores.
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Since I was deleting the balance shafts I saw no reason to keep the associated gear. Replaced it with what I believe is the crankshaft sprocket/spacer from a 1.8. Mitsubishi part# MD128107 from the great guys over at www.Mitsubishiparts.net
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9884/87944316.jpg

The original piece.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7538/73749879.jpg

Went with the Tomei oil scraper for the crank. Verified fitment with a 100mm crank. At least the oem 4g69 piece. Thank you Touge Factory.
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9189/91075054.jpg

This was one of those parts that I was definitely not expecting to be so impressed with. Very well made, heavy duty piece.
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Gaskets and all oem assembly items provided by www.Mitsubishiparts.net
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Had some 87.5mm Platinum Series 9.5:1 pistons made by Manley when I ordered the 150mm I beams. Yes, I went .20 over an 87mm bore to clean things up. The world is going to implode while the baby Jesus cries at me. Again, let's see what this block can take.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/866...0912201753.jpg

Went with Power Enterprises for the head gasket.
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7918/82986839.jpg

This is an excellent choice for this head/block combo as it fits them very well along with taking full advantage of the IX head and 4g69's large coolant passages.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3254/81032522.jpg

The extent of my photographic skill.
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Head consisting of Ferrea 6000 series factory sized valves, Ferrea manganese copper intake and copper alloy exhaust valve guides, Viton seals, Kiggly steel base washers, springs/titanium retainers, hla, and factory locks/keepers. Cams are Kelford 9-TX280, 280 intake/276 exhaust.
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7167/22056331.jpg

Massaged the combustion chambers a bit for the 87.mm bore.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7825/75614936.jpg

Tapped and plugged the egr port on the head for good measure.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8889/51761506.jpg

Pretty Kiggly hydraulic lash adjuster.
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Magnus v.5 cast intake manifold.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1429/40824328.jpg

Cleaned up some of the casting marks on the inside.
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This is the necessary modification needed if wanting to run a Full Blown 70mm throttle body with the Magnus v.5 along with opening the adapter plate up to match the throttle body's inner diameter.
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6825/15984181.jpg

Magnus fuel rail
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2979/56606115.jpg

That should do...
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6852/57830244.jpg

Full Blown 70mm cast throttle body. Thanks to the guys at MaPerformance

In particular I like the factory like placement of the iac valve on this t/b.
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7205/45767770.jpg

ID 2000's from Mr. Palo himself. Repinned the clips instead of using patches to avoid any vibration related incidents...
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/9434/51524572.jpg

A whole mess of Full Blown fittings for the fuel system.
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/8401/66294821.jpg

All flow formed on the inside.
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7644/17562420.jpg

Utilizing factory feed line as my return line. Earl's -6 to factory adapter.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3496/16607107.jpg

Magnafuel 4303 up next to Walbro 255.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9783/86053714.jpg

Magnafuel 74 micron pre and 24 micron post stainless steel element fuel filters next to dual relays.
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Russell ProClassic II -10 for tank to pump, -8 for pump to rail, and -6 for return. I like this stuff because it's nylon braided on the outside so as not to chew through everything with a substructure of braided stainless on the inside to give it great strength in tight radius bends.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9463/73277795.jpg

Gutted factory pump hanger. -10 pickup.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/972/37349328.jpg

Was worried about overflow issues from the small id of the pick up fitting.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8799/54956210.jpg

So will test this modified one out. Either way I'm running an Aeromotive 16306 fuel pump speed controller so problem easily solved.
(Factory siphon fitting absolutely would not work with the amount this pump flows anyway. Ditched it in favor of a Magnafuel Y and a -10 pickup in the passenger side of the fuel tank.)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6366/18910368.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3752/89821785.jpg

Fuel system class pic!
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9551/51037643.jpg

All assembled at 75 *F
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No more balance shafts so thought I'd utilize the front crank case hole for drainback of the catch can system. -6 fitting. Let's see if it does any good.
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4901/25671086.jpg

Setrab 625 oil cooler setup with all -10 line/fittings.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5672/52985429.jpg

Inside shot of the Setrab.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3544/13113528.jpg

Precision Turbo 6466 bb.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2097/83479466.jpg

Function7 -10 oil drain fitting.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9655/53007907.jpg

Vibrant VanJen clamp for ic pipe to throttle body connection, 3.5" v-band clamps, flex section, race muffler, resonators, and u-bends for down pipe/exhaust system.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2057/18797075.jpg

That moment when you realize how little the 3.5" components are actually probably going to do to reduce the sound lol.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5886/18479627.jpg

Fresh AEM wideband sensor, 0-100psi fuel pressure sensor, and 5 bar map. Thanks to Steve over at GetPowerHouse.

SCE copper exaust manifold and t3 turbo gaskets. Let's see if they hold up to the heat.
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1710/73566969.jpg

Sparktech non-cdi sequential conversion harness. Thanks Craig!
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1750/68537881.jpg

-6 fitting for front of crank case.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9255/43392129.jpg

Driveshaft Shop driveshaft. Steve over at GetPowerHouse is your man for any and all things DSS.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7708/77739485.jpg

Treated myself to something I've been inexplicably wanting for a very long time ;)
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4876/90588731.jpg

VHT Flameproof ceramic coated oil pan.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8...9159342586.jpg

Used the same coating for my valve cover baked at home and was really pleased with the results for someone who has the artistic talent of a drunken five year old.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/417/imag0785k.jpg

New Magnus reusable stainless steel media oil filter. Courtesy of Magnus Motorsports themselves.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6544/filterone.jpg

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4532/filtertwo.jpg

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Precision Turbo v-band 6466 with .82 a/r housing.
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Vajen clamps in place on the 6466 and Full Blown throttle body.
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Turbo, throttle body, and 3-3.5" downpipe to v-band exhaust transition.
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Close up of downpipe to exhaust transition.
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Vanjens fittings.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3876/img6405pu.jpg


http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7213/img9169n.jpg

Toxicfab manifold collector.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4...1846059120.jpg

Close up of collector welds.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/632/img4782w.jpg

Closer up lol.
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4509/38279315.jpg

Some port work shots of the collector.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9924/37409255.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2582/img7246e.jpg

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Teardrop priority wastegate setup.
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http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1341/77508480.jpg

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Assembled and welded. More like art I swear...
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2...2373732214.jpg

Collin actually said today that these welds have turned out to be some of the best he has ever done. It goes without saying that I'm honored to have his work going on my car {thumbup}
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They say the formative years are the most important... ;)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9345/img956316.jpg

Completed manifold :)
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http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3...gassembled.jpg

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o2 housing
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1803/o2housing.jpg

Everything fitted to the engine with ToxicFab slash cut hood exit wastegate dump tube :fire:
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5598/oncar.jpg

Upper intercooler pipes with Vanjen goodness.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/804...neicpipes2.jpg

The gratitude for the patience required of Collin to do this is immeasurable.
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5...ineicpipes.jpg

TiAL Q flange welded up. Great shot Toxic!
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9137/img5136r.jpg

Lower intercooler pipe is complete ;)

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2435/img7935q.jpg


ToxicFab v2 catch can is up!

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/717/img4220sv.jpg

Collin just finished porting the manifold.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1885/img3201mh.jpg

Finished kit!
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Full kit with downpipe.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7386/img4074cj.jpg

Laying dimes even on the logo!
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8747/img5779a.jpg

Titanium cam sensor shield. I ran into a wall at Lowe's while walking and looking a this pic on my phone today lol.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8971/img0570hh.jpg

There will be more pics coming very soon as the car is finally wrapping up. These are just parts gathered over the past two years to give you an idea of what is going on in my head. Ask away, try to stay cool/respectful to one another/maybe even me :) and let's see if this thing doesn't just do something neat {thumbup}

e85 at 39 psi and dyno vid:


mitsuorder

s.gaspar Sep 12, 2012 08:20 PM

holy crap this is epic good job so far

mitsuorder Sep 12, 2012 08:23 PM

Hey I really appreciate it man :)

asasin79 Sep 12, 2012 08:31 PM

nice to see it all laid out like this. anxious.

Nismo2evoawd Sep 12, 2012 09:20 PM

This is a crazy build excited to see how this turns out.

PeteyTurbo@KHC Sep 12, 2012 09:21 PM

quite awesome, can't wait to see the results..

evilempire76 Sep 13, 2012 02:48 AM

Sweet build you have going so far. I can't wait to see what it'll do.

Evo8Emperor Sep 13, 2012 03:51 PM

Definitely looks like some time was spent doing your home work. Looks like everything will look great in the end and I'm sure you'll get some good results as well.

Good luck with everything

EvoIIIAj Sep 13, 2012 08:16 PM

Wow your build is awesome! I really enjoyed going through that first post!!

MitsuJoe Sep 16, 2012 06:04 AM

Looks great. Really like seeing what you are doing with the 4g69. So what rod size are you running? Also did I read that this is a 100mm crank in stock form? Did you happen to weigh it? What are your RPM goals?

Spec-Ops1 Sep 16, 2012 10:30 AM

Interested in the results of the 4G69, great job thus far!

CrAnSwIcK Sep 16, 2012 10:57 AM

very nice...you did not mention it, but did you opt to have oil squirters installed in the block? the passage is there, you just need to tap into it...what's the PTW with those pistons? and 9.5 is stock compression, i can't wait to see what this thing can do...

I rev mine to 7200.

mitsuorder Sep 16, 2012 08:26 PM

Thank you again to everyone for your support and kind words. Fighting a fever right now so let me try and address everything asked.

I'm running a 150mm Manley I beam. The crank is the oem 4g69 100mm crank from Mitsubishi. I did not weigh it unfortunately but am sure with the relative ease of availability of these blocks finding one to compare to that out of a 4g64 would not be difficult.

With the rod/stroke ratio of 1.5:1 I'll prob only be taking the engine up to 8000 rpm. Didn't tap the block for oil squirters. Just a personal choice in regards to keeping things simple. I'd be lying if I told you I knew the ptw clearance of the pistons. Could ask my machine shop if they still have the info. Stock compression is 8.8:1 I believe so 9.5:1 seemed to be a nice in between.

All that I lack to assemble the car is the exhaust manifold and it's being finished up as I type. Will be a weekend assembly/exhaust/charge pipes/tune event at my friends fabrication/tuning facility. Hoping to have it all wrapped up this month before I take off.

Keep 'em coming,
mitsuorder

mitsuorder Sep 16, 2012 09:42 PM

Sorry, I was thinking 4g63 cr.

whodini1976 Sep 17, 2012 04:38 AM

Great write up and build. Thank you for the information on where to get some parts.


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