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Old Sep 15, 2017, 03:12 PM
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Out of toe adjustment?

Had an alignment done and found I'm out of toe adjustment at the rear.
the car is lowered a bit. Camber is within spec.

Do our cars REALLY have such limited availability of movement back there?

On the bright side, my caster in on point.


Old Sep 15, 2017, 08:11 PM
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I run the Whiteline KCA388 (rear bump steer bush)

Wonder if youre running the same? and that being the possible cause?
Old Sep 16, 2017, 12:53 AM
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No, sir. All rear bushings are basic poly.
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On my last visit to the Mitsu dealer for an alignment, they told me I was out of toe and camber adjustment in the front. My suspension is completely stock. I've never owned a vehicle before where the OEM hardware became insufficient to keep the car in spec during its lifetime.

The dealer told me they would order newer hardware (bolts) which would allow further adjustment at a cost of $30 each plus installation. This pissed me off, as I didn't feel like I should be footing the bill for the fact that Mitsu used inadequate running gear from the factory...I just walked away.

The dealership has since closed, but I still need to do something about the alignment as my relatively new Hankooks are getting beaten up since I drive 50 miles round-trip to work each day...
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I can guarantee you weren't out of adjustment for toe. That's impossible. As for camber, our bolts have a TON of adjustment. I think they were trying to rob you of some cash.
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Originally Posted by kaj
I can guarantee you weren't out of adjustment for toe. That's impossible. As for camber, our bolts have a TON of adjustment. I think they were trying to rob you of some cash.
Technically camber only has two positions of adjustment. Flipped or not flipped, so I wouldn't say that is a ton. 🤓
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Technically camber only has two positions of adjustment. Flipped or not flipped, so I wouldn't say that is a ton. 🤓
In relation to reaching spec, it's plenty.
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I would take the car somewhere else. Firestone in general sucks for alignments from my personal experience.

How low is your car? That plays a little part, but it should be able to get closer than that. I think if you add camber you get get a little more toe adjustment, but I don't think you should go much beyond where you already are. If all else fails, you could get some adjustment toe arms such as the meagan ones.

I just think the tech probably didn't know what they were doing.
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I have free alignments from Firestone, so it's hard for me to pay and go elsewhere unless I find there is a real problem.

My car is lowered a bit in the rear. Not sure how much. I lowered the car as much as I could while still keeping control arms above parallel with the ground. I won't be adding camber until I start tracking the car again. Tech says the adjustments are maxed out I haven't been under the car to see for myself, yet. But it's kinda hard to mess that up. Not that I'm saying it's impossible if they are retarded enough.



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Yeah I have the lifetime alignments but they couldn't get it right so I just ate the cost and went elsewhere. Best decision I made.

I agree with others that you should have more adjustment left unless something was damaged at some point in the rear or you have a bad bushing/s.
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all bushings are poly with a couple 1000 miles on them. I don't imagine bushings on both sides going bad, equally.
I have a feeling they didn't use the centric bolts properly. I'll get under there one day and look, then report back.
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Yeah you might see some increased tire wear as well.

If it is out of adjustment, the peak of the cam on the bolt should be lined up to where it touches the frame.
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Originally Posted by asu11
Yeah you might see some increased tire wear as well.

If it is out of adjustment, the peak of the cam on the bolt should be lined up to where it touches the frame.
Correct.
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Originally Posted by kaj
all bushings are poly with a couple 1000 miles on them. I don't imagine bushings on both sides going bad, equally.
I have a feeling they didn't use the centric bolts properly. I'll get under there one day and look, then report back.
a bit OT... but I am always wondering why people throw out OE spherical bushings from the evo and install poly bushings instead?
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
a bit OT... but I am always wondering why people throw out OE spherical bushings from the evo and install poly bushings instead?
That, I couldn't tell you. I left the two shpericals on mine.


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