KYB Performance Shocks!
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^ +1
im waiting to buy tein coilovers too...go the cash in bank..just waiting for them to come out
rather spend an extra 200 bucks or so, to get much more benifits, considering i get an extra set of OEM coils @ home should i get into an accident or something happens to the aftermarket ones i have the option of slapping hte OEM ones on driving around while i get a new set w/o any down time...also if i blow 1 set of seals i'll have another in my basement lol
im waiting to buy tein coilovers too...go the cash in bank..just waiting for them to come out
rather spend an extra 200 bucks or so, to get much more benifits, considering i get an extra set of OEM coils @ home should i get into an accident or something happens to the aftermarket ones i have the option of slapping hte OEM ones on driving around while i get a new set w/o any down time...also if i blow 1 set of seals i'll have another in my basement lol
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I've said this before though..... why?... for $469 + $255 for tein s techs or another spring, your looking at around $700.. for another $100 you get some coilovers.
I've been doing some reading since I'm convinced thats the way I'm going.
The argument at hand from what I understand is that they wont last the winter.. Sleeves will rust and seals will go.
According to the guys on the maxima, civic, teg, subaru, and rsx boards I all checked, many people run coilovers in the winter with zero problems.
The general consensus is, K-sport are crap, the seals go on them due to the cold temperature, however they are covered by warranty for 1 year so you may get lucky like some have.
Teins are great, provided you spray the sleeves in rust proofing just to be safe so are the megans.
Other then that, just make sure whenever you take your car to get washed, just make sure you spray out the crap from the suspension area.... You dont have to do this like a religion but just an extra precautionary step when you go to the car wash.
for the extra $100 for coils, you get camber adjustment for those are lowered, or those to want to add camber if they plan to track their car.. the adjustable height. too many times I've seen un even sagging from springs... even the high end ones...
ride adjustability settings... soft for just crusin, or make it stiff if you got people in the back so you dont rub, or track, or drag..
If i'm wrong please someone correct me. Thanks.
I've been doing some reading since I'm convinced thats the way I'm going.
The argument at hand from what I understand is that they wont last the winter.. Sleeves will rust and seals will go.
According to the guys on the maxima, civic, teg, subaru, and rsx boards I all checked, many people run coilovers in the winter with zero problems.
The general consensus is, K-sport are crap, the seals go on them due to the cold temperature, however they are covered by warranty for 1 year so you may get lucky like some have.
Teins are great, provided you spray the sleeves in rust proofing just to be safe so are the megans.
Other then that, just make sure whenever you take your car to get washed, just make sure you spray out the crap from the suspension area.... You dont have to do this like a religion but just an extra precautionary step when you go to the car wash.
for the extra $100 for coils, you get camber adjustment for those are lowered, or those to want to add camber if they plan to track their car.. the adjustable height. too many times I've seen un even sagging from springs... even the high end ones...
ride adjustability settings... soft for just crusin, or make it stiff if you got people in the back so you dont rub, or track, or drag..
If i'm wrong please someone correct me. Thanks.
you got a good point , but i hear the tein coils are gonna be around the 1300-1500 mark which is almost double what yous pay for springs and shocks , i think coils are better for people that track their cars , but if you dont track then theres no point in spending the extra 500-700 $ on coils cuz you will probabily never adjust em once they are in
I suppose all we ca do is speculate until they are finally released.
Straight from RRM "These are the best performance replacement shocks on the market" http://www.roadracemotorsports.com/s...roducts_id=507 So keep your @ss and BS comments in the US forums kid.
Read KYB's site and familiarize yourself with their products before YOU buy something because of a reseller's "propaganda".
I was in no way slamming the parts. I was merely pointing out it is a mistake to think of KYB GR2 shocks as "high performance" shocks when the manufacturer of the part CLEARLY does not claim the same.
Really... think about what you said for a minute... and think about where that money is going...
I have nothing against RRM. I have their GRIP V2 springs. But my point is, KYB GR2s aren't KYB's "high performance" shocks.
If you want KYB's "high performance" shocks, you need to wait til they come out with AGX shocks for the Lancer...
just sayin'
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before this degenerates or possibly degenerates... let me say that everyone is right to some degree. the only factor that is missing here is actual field testing and autopsy reports from failed struts. That will in time creep up on the forum.
That said. I have spent time talking to both KYB Marketing and KYB Technical / development and I have run a battery of questions by them. To my surprise they were pretty open and gave me straight forward answers. Point blank. These struts are superior in every aspect of the OEM strut. Remember who made the strut in the first place. Kyb I think has more then 25% of the OEM market. Mitsu gives them the specs, they make it. Then they turn around and make improvements over the OEM benchmarks.
Now i cant say everything that came up in the conversation. But a little common sense has to be expressed when adding springs into the equation. Like with OEM struts. a serious 1.50+ drop in height is never recommended. Will this strut better tolerate a mild drop. Sure, entirely plausible. Second these struts are attractively priced to counter coilover competitors. And also, from a Mitsubishi Manufacturer standpoint. Your dealership is much less likely to give you problems with warranty issues when using something that meets the OEM benchmark.
I remember a friend going into the dealership and they didnt want to even touch his car to check out4 a noise or two because it had winter tires on. WTF? somewhat of a unrelated case? if you think about it the comparison is not far off.
Coil overs have there advantages... so do springs... we can debate that till the cows come home. But its hard to gauge the value of something that hasnt been field tested / abused yet. So we will see how much performance can be gained from these struts.
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That said. I have spent time talking to both KYB Marketing and KYB Technical / development and I have run a battery of questions by them. To my surprise they were pretty open and gave me straight forward answers. Point blank. These struts are superior in every aspect of the OEM strut. Remember who made the strut in the first place. Kyb I think has more then 25% of the OEM market. Mitsu gives them the specs, they make it. Then they turn around and make improvements over the OEM benchmarks.
Now i cant say everything that came up in the conversation. But a little common sense has to be expressed when adding springs into the equation. Like with OEM struts. a serious 1.50+ drop in height is never recommended. Will this strut better tolerate a mild drop. Sure, entirely plausible. Second these struts are attractively priced to counter coilover competitors. And also, from a Mitsubishi Manufacturer standpoint. Your dealership is much less likely to give you problems with warranty issues when using something that meets the OEM benchmark.
I remember a friend going into the dealership and they didnt want to even touch his car to check out4 a noise or two because it had winter tires on. WTF? somewhat of a unrelated case? if you think about it the comparison is not far off.
Coil overs have there advantages... so do springs... we can debate that till the cows come home. But its hard to gauge the value of something that hasnt been field tested / abused yet. So we will see how much performance can be gained from these struts.
www.evosoul.com
And also, from a Mitsubishi Manufacturer standpoint. Your dealership is much less likely to give you problems with warranty issues when using something that meets the OEM benchmark.I remember a friend going into the dealership and they didnt want to even touch his car to check out4 a noise or two because it had winter tires on. WTF? somewhat of a unrelated case? if you think about it the comparison is not far off.
I'll also add this is a direct quote from Neal@tirerack
"The GR2's are designed as an oem replacement and shouldn't be used with a lowering spring. They are not valved correctly for the drop in travel you'll have once the springs are installed. KYB will not warranty a GR2 that's been used with a lowering spring either.
Given the right conditions it can pop instantly or over time. Depends on the severity of the impact. Will probably ride a bit bouncy/rough as well. Really best to get a shock that matches the type of springs you're installing."
Last edited by turbotime; Jul 4, 2009 at 10:46 PM.
no, I'm just saying in the past, their tein basic line has been under a grand for majority of the popular vehicles, and their super street line has been around 12-1400. I'm only saying they will most likely follow suit. If you look at the evo x tein basics they are $849 (cheaper then rrm sells the megans for) and the super street are about $1200.. I dont see them making the lesser model lancer coils more expensive then the evo x lol.
Prices quoted from here
Keep in mind these are all retail pricing, I'm sure vender pricing here is much more aggressive making the monetary difference between the springs/struts to coils even smaller.
Prices quoted from here
Keep in mind these are all retail pricing, I'm sure vender pricing here is much more aggressive making the monetary difference between the springs/struts to coils even smaller.
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Where are you getting pricing from? I just priced a set of these and tein s techs vs. megans on rrm and there only a $145 difference between them and the megan coils? I know the venders on here are getting the megans even cheaper then rrm have listed them for so I'm curious because kyb seem pretty pricey considering its a non adjustable shock and the pocket change diffrence to step up into coilovers.
1) Pricing is simple, I am factoring in OEM equiv. (dealership) to replace vs. kyb upgrade replacement. Then factoring in, the average cost of a coil over kit vs. custom solution such as purchasing springs and upgraded struts. In this factoring in, I am taking average cost which means not the cheapest kit, but the average kit size. basically taking Tein, megan + others into account.
Maybe, mitsu can say whatever bs they want, when it comes down to it, your protected by the Magnusson-Moss Act. Meaning if your engine blew up, they couldn't say warranty void due to aftermarket suspension.. Now if your running excessive camber and your ball joints fail prematurely they can say due to your alignment not meeting factory spec its not covered, but thats to be expected. I would love to see them try to pull bs like that to me.. winter tires lol
You are quoting an act that has influence here in Canada but isnt law in Canada. I too believe in something similar. But the logic behind my arguement, (and if i owned a dealership I would say the same thing), is in order for me to address a quasi related problem. Say for example a squeeking sounds coming from under the car. and your car is equipt with coilovers. I as a dealership (if i were one) would have every right to refuse. Coil overs are not a OE equivalent to the Cars specs. It is different. Taking this further. IF I am going to pay my tech, I want to be 51% sure that this has the possiblilty of having something to do with the car. But what is more likely to be the case. I will believe it has something to the Coil over you put on. Now to be fair some dealerships would say thats fine, we will look at it. But if we find it has to do with the coil over we will charge you. (rape you) lol That said, this isnt to say that same senario wouldnt play out with a Strut upgrade and lowering springs. IT may happen exactly the same way or not. But if you compare the two. Coil overs are more advance and not part of spec. Magnusson-Moss Act is mainly out to cover OE replacements and has a very large gray area. Not saying coil overs dont apply, but they are centainly in the gray area
I totally agree, but even if these struts are 100% top notch and preformed amazing, from what I can see, for their abilities, they are far over priced.
I'll also add this is a direct quote from Neal@tirerack
"The GR2's are designed as an oem replacement and shouldn't be used with a lowering spring. They are not valved correctly for the drop in travel you'll have once the springs are installed. KYB will not warranty a GR2 that's been used with a lowering spring either.
Given the right conditions it can pop instantly or over time. Depends on the severity of the impact. Will probably ride a bit bouncy/rough as well. Really best to get a shock that matches the type of springs you're installing."
1) Pricing is simple, I am factoring in OEM equiv. (dealership) to replace vs. kyb upgrade replacement. Then factoring in, the average cost of a coil over kit vs. custom solution such as purchasing springs and upgraded struts. In this factoring in, I am taking average cost which means not the cheapest kit, but the average kit size. basically taking Tein, megan + others into account.
Maybe, mitsu can say whatever bs they want, when it comes down to it, your protected by the Magnusson-Moss Act. Meaning if your engine blew up, they couldn't say warranty void due to aftermarket suspension.. Now if your running excessive camber and your ball joints fail prematurely they can say due to your alignment not meeting factory spec its not covered, but thats to be expected. I would love to see them try to pull bs like that to me.. winter tires lol
You are quoting an act that has influence here in Canada but isnt law in Canada. I too believe in something similar. But the logic behind my arguement, (and if i owned a dealership I would say the same thing), is in order for me to address a quasi related problem. Say for example a squeeking sounds coming from under the car. and your car is equipt with coilovers. I as a dealership (if i were one) would have every right to refuse. Coil overs are not a OE equivalent to the Cars specs. It is different. Taking this further. IF I am going to pay my tech, I want to be 51% sure that this has the possiblilty of having something to do with the car. But what is more likely to be the case. I will believe it has something to the Coil over you put on. Now to be fair some dealerships would say thats fine, we will look at it. But if we find it has to do with the coil over we will charge you. (rape you) lol That said, this isnt to say that same senario wouldnt play out with a Strut upgrade and lowering springs. IT may happen exactly the same way or not. But if you compare the two. Coil overs are more advance and not part of spec. Magnusson-Moss Act is mainly out to cover OE replacements and has a very large gray area. Not saying coil overs dont apply, but they are centainly in the gray area
I totally agree, but even if these struts are 100% top notch and preformed amazing, from what I can see, for their abilities, they are far over priced.
I'll also add this is a direct quote from Neal@tirerack
"The GR2's are designed as an oem replacement and shouldn't be used with a lowering spring. They are not valved correctly for the drop in travel you'll have once the springs are installed. KYB will not warranty a GR2 that's been used with a lowering spring either.
Given the right conditions it can pop instantly or over time. Depends on the severity of the impact. Will probably ride a bit bouncy/rough as well. Really best to get a shock that matches the type of springs you're installing."
To further KYB. Dealer wont warranty OE struts either , but people attempt to skirt that as well. lol Dont get me wrong... Tire Rack knows there stuff. but I was speaking with someone related to development within KYB... They are a great strut. and your right valving isnt ideal at all. but build quality is a step up as well
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