wizzo 8

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Ok I see thanks. Carlos I sent you a message through your website about a header.

wizzo 8

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And I already got a response

ct78155

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Thanks for your business Will.

You don't owe me a thing Aaron, thanks for the opportunity

ct78155

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Ands this person decided to just make more posts, even though I never had any communication with him whatsoever:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/hang...rbo-setup.html



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Sorry about getting off topic on your thread Will.

xRoguex

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I cant see tuners..

but its ok.



Your product hard at work is all that matters.

pboglio

ct78155,

Your coating that I saw on 2 parts had an adhesion problem, this is a fair statement and could be the prep or just the nature of the paint you used.
This is as far as I will comment on your WORKMANSHIP, otherwise the aesthetics looked good.

I never mentioned who the owner was, but your right that it was the person you posted. He never complained to me and I will leave it at that and in fact I told him YOUR coating OTHER than the adhesion issue looked DAMNED good

What I have a problem with is THIN painted or plate ceramic coatings in GENERAL. The fact that in REAL testing, I mean datalogged intake testing I can at WILL show a run starting at 4000 rpms in 3rd gear that would be at 80*F ambient and go WOT to 7000 rpms the intake temps would SKYROCKET to +100*F by the end of 7000 rpms. That is on the ceramic coating FP used on the race manifolds for the DSM, the "Jet Hot type" coating the used. Shockingly I can hold intake temps DEAD stable during WOT pulls with the stock heatshielding in place.

Your coating I PERSONALLY put my HAND on the manifold after a 5 minute warmup, no problem. Nothing to do with reality either, IR gun or not, for reason I explained. ENTIRELY different story after I PURPOSELY told the owner to BEAT on the car to pump heat into the manifold cause I KNEW what I was looking for. The stock EVO hood vent is covering ALOT of sins here.

xRoguex

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a thick coating of the ceramic paint will cause problems..

i will let carlos chime in on that

pboglio

I've run Swaintech with .015" thick coating, about a 5 times thicker. I hit that coating with a wrench and hammer, never a chip. The coating we are talking about chipped in quite a few spots due to shipping damage. The Jet Hot type coating I run now was also .002-003" thk but you could hit it, which I did, and also GRIND it briefly and it still wouldn't come off. Matter of fact, it was so tuff I had a hard time cutting into it with a TiN drill bit.

The thickness is a clearance issue internally of course and Swaintech ran (2) different types of coatings back about 14 years ago when I ran swaintech coated parts, one internal thin coating and a thick external coating. They delaminated internally and were taking out turbine wheels so they claimed which is why they don't recommend it anymore even today.

If it chipped on impact, I sure as **** wouldn't trust it not to delaminate internally. Swaintech was worried enough about it to stop recommending on turbo applications internally.

ct78155

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Again, you continue to come up with your conclusions.
Can you please post data or stop posting that our ceramic doesn't work.

Nobody is holding up a gun to your head to buy our ceramic, if Swaintech works for you go ahead and use that.
By the way, the "ceramic" that FP uses is not a ceramic at all so I don't see why you keep comparing theirs to what we use.
Next time please post the entire story so customers see what happened during the entire process.
Go ahead and use SwainTech, again nobody is holding a gun to your head.

Obi-one

So this coating from Triad goes on the inside of parts to...? I got my ex manifold done thru BR, Im picking it up Monday... I dont want this **** to flake off into my turbo... If it does... U best believe you'll hear me ranting...

ct78155

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Buschur does not coat the inside of their parts, you won't have any problems.

mguyott3

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looks nice..

xmaciek82x

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Carlos, just like I said earlier today to you, pboglio and I did not discuss the performance of the coating. His opinion is based on what he noticed after couple WOT pulls.

As for my thoughts, like I said I do not have any yet. I would need to to more testing. These parts went on yesterday and I did not have time to do any real logging.

What I can say is that I am very happy with your service and if I will be needing some powder coating done I will be in contact with you.

xRoguex, since you have access to 2 evos (coated and uncoated mani, o2 etc). Can you do some WOT pulls in both and log intake temp? My old logs are from when it was about 65-70 degrees outside and it is in the mid 40s now so this will throw off my readings.

-Matt

xRoguex

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the second evo doesnt have nearly the mods that mine does..

Just those specific parts.. So it will be hard to determine true numbers from a pull.

He has a stock turbo - etc.. only revs to 7500.. etc..




and what would logging intake temp matter? My fmic is so efficient - i see almost NO increase in AIT from idle to redline..

pboglio

Because reducing intake air temps at the filter extends the compressor's air flow capability and allows the wastegate to open just a little more reducing backpressure. I've used this trick on many occasions to push a compressor to its limit. I could swear this is all laid out in Corky Bell's book, or maybe Mike Kojima's.