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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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I think it would be fun... get 5 or 6 of us... All of us rent Chevy Aveo's for a day.

The rent, wash, return is a very common practice in Rally-X.
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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Thanks a bunch.......did you have to change anything mechanical? i.e. injectors I signed up for the Auto-X also it'll be my first.

Originally Posted by bzzbee2
I had my E85 tuned in so-cal at Road Race Engineering. They is cool peeps. Im not sure if anyone in town is tuning this stuff yet.... but there are a few of us running it. its supposed to be comparable to 100, although i have never got a tune for 100. E85 gave me about 85 more at the wheels...
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bzzbee2
That is the plan. Im supposed to start work there on the 15th. Moving back to the newport peninsula!! Gotta find me a RRE Stealth exhaust so im off the police radar. Although i have been pulled over for basically driving a muddy car, so im not sure if it will stop the hastling... LOL not that it matters. im not breaking any laws so they usually just chat with me for a bit then go back to their coffee. Also gotta get a new bumper...

Vegasevo9... I will take that bumper/lip you got!!!


did he pm you ? cuz im pretty sure that he is wanting to buy an evo IX SE lip
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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Yea he pmd me.

as far as E85. i just changed injectors, and had them wire in a map switch. That way if i cant find the Ethanol, i just flip a switch and fill up with 91. no reflashing necessary.
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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You my friend, are EVIL! I do get discounts at AVIS for being a preferred member though!

Evil... Heck, spend 25 bucks for the car for a day... Hell, thats more than i will spend in gas and potato chips for the day.
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Wonder why rentals are crap? LOL

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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bzzbee2
Yea he pmd me.

as far as E85. i just changed injectors, and had them wire in a map switch. That way if i cant find the Ethanol, i just flip a switch and fill up with 91. no reflashing necessary.
GIve me a call regarding the front bumper. 580-8143 Mike.
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bzzbee2
Evil... Heck, spend 25 bucks for the car for a day... Hell, thats more than i will spend in gas and potato chips for the day.
WTF! I didnt know you could get rentals that cheap. I use rentals for work when i'm traveling and just as an example, I paid $335 for exactly 2 days with hertz this afternoon. In case anyone is wondering, it was an '08 mercury mariner. I usually get a midsize and pay anywhere from $70-$100 per day. I'm gonna start booking through orbitz now...
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:25 AM
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Have an Electric Blue EVO hood off a IX. No dents, excellent condition. $375. Has all underhood insulation and vent on it. Ready to bolt on.
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bzzbee2
Yea he pmd me.

as far as E85. i just changed injectors, and had them wire in a map switch. That way if i cant find the Ethanol, i just flip a switch and fill up with 91. no reflashing necessary.
you didn't do anything with fuel lines? I don't personally know but just am aware that it can be corrosive on some rubbers , plastic and some metal parts
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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AMS I think SUBMERGED the fuel lines and injectors etc. in E85 for months maybe a year I cant remember and It didnt do any harm.
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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Most vehicles built now are compatible with this fuel... Meaning your not going to dissolve gaskets and fuel lines. its just the computers and mechanics of the engine that is not compatable....
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bzzbee2
Most vehicles built now are compatible with this fuel... Meaning your not going to dissolve gaskets and fuel lines. its just the computers and mechanics of the engine that is not compatable....
is the evo one of these vehicles? I just remember talking to my uncle about it back when the pumps where first surfacing. I know you have to run huge injectors and I've even seen ppl with dual fuel rails. If I had a pump available here then I probably would look more into a e85 tune because I've got the harness for alt-map switching just sitting in my room. I'm still cloudy on the e85
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wesside
is the evo one of these vehicles? I just remember talking to my uncle about it back when the pumps where first surfacing. I know you have to run huge injectors and I've even seen ppl with dual fuel rails. If I had a pump available here then I probably would look more into a e85 tune because I've got the harness for alt-map switching just sitting in my room. I'm still cloudy on the e85

Fuel pump... all you need is a warlbo. stock fuel rail is adequate. Although it would help provide more fuel if you upgraded it, i personally havent heard of anyone upgrading their fuel rail for E85.
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Water contamination

In addition to corrosion, there is also a risk of increased engine wear for non-FFV engines that are not specifically designed for operation on high levels (i.e., for greater than 10%) of ethanol. The risk primarily comes in the rare event that the E85 fuel ever becomes contaminated with water. For water levels below approximately 0.5% to 1.0% contained in the ethanol, no phase separation of gasoline and ethanol occurs. For contamination with 1% or more water in the ethanol, phase separation occurs, and the ethanol-water mixture will separate from the gasoline. This can be observed by pouring a mixture of suspected water-contaminated E85 fuel in a clear glass tube, waiting roughly 30 minutes, and then inspecting the sample. If there is water contamination of above 1% water in the ethanol, a clear separation of ethanol-water from gasoline will be clearly visible, with the colored gasoline floating above the clear ethanol-water mixture.

For ethanol contaminated with larger amounts of water (i.e., approximately 11% water, 89% ethanol, equivalent to 178 proof ethanol), considerable engine wear will occur, especially during times while the engine is heating up to normal operating temperatures. For example, just after starting the engine, low temperature partial combustion of the water-contaminated ethanol mixture takes place and causes engine wear. This wear, caused by water-contaminated E85, is the result of the combustion process of ethanol, water, and gasoline producing considerable amounts of formic acid (HCOOH, also known as methanoic acid and sometimes written as CH2O2). In addition to the production of formic acid occurring for water-contaminated E85, smaller amounts of acetaldehyde (CH3CHO) and acetic acid (C2H4O2) are also formed for water-contaminated ethanol combustion. Of these partial combustion products, formic acid is responsible for the majority of the rapid increase in engine wear.

Engines specifically designed for FFVs employ soft nitride coatings on their internal metal parts to provide resistance to formic acid wear in the event of water contamination of E85 fuel. Also, the use of lubricant oil (motor oil) containing an acid neutralizer is necessary to prevent the damage of oil-lubricated engine parts in the event of water contamination of fuel. Such lubricant oil was required by at least one manufacturer of FFVs (Chrysler). This requirement was later removed.

For non-FFVs burning E85 in greater than 23.5% E85 mixtures (20% ethanol), the remedy for accidentally getting a tank of water-contaminated E85 (or gasoline) while preventing excessive engine wear is to change the motor oil as soon as possible after either burning the fuel and replacing it with non-contaminated fuel, or after immediately draining and replacing the water-contaminated fuel. The risk of burning slightly water-contaminated fuel with low percentages of water (less than 1%) on a long commute is minimal; after all, it is the low temperature combustion of water contaminated ethanol and gasoline that causes the bulk of the formic acid to form; burning a slightly-contaminated mix of water (less than 1%) and ethanol quickly, in one long commute, will not likely cause any appreciable engine wear past the first 15 miles of driving, especially once the engine warms up and high temperature combustion occurs exclusively.

For those making their own E85, the risk of introducing water unintentionally into their homemade fuel is relatively high unless adequate safety precautions and quality control procedures are taken. Ethanol and water form an azeotrope such that it is impossible to distill ethanol to higher than 95.6% ethanol purity by weight (roughly 190 proof); regardless of how many times distillation is repeated. Unfortunately, this proof ethanol contains too much water to prevent separation of a mixture of such proof ethanol with gasoline, or to prevent the formation of formic acid during low temperature combustion. Therefore, when making E85, it becomes necessary to remove this residual water. It is possible to break the ethanol and water azeotrope through adding benzene or another hydrocarbon prior to a final rectifying distillation. This takes another distillation (energy consuming) step. However, it is possible to remove the residual water more easily, using 3 angstrom (3A) synthetic zeolite pellets to absorb the water from the mix of ethanol and water, prior to mixing the now anhydrous ethanol with gasoline in an 85% to 15% by volume mixture to make E85. This absorption process is also known as a molecular sieve. The benefit of using synthetic zeolite pellets is that they are essentially comparable to using a catalyst, in being reusable and in not being consumed in the process, and the pellets require only re-heating (perhaps on a backyard grill, in a solar reflector furnace, or with heated carbon dioxide gas collected and saved from the fermentation process) to drive off the water molecules absorbed into the zeolite. Research has also been done at Purdue University on using corn grits as a desiccant. [3] Once the ground corn becomes water logged, the corn grits can be processed much as the zeolite pellets, at least for a number of drying cycles before the grits lose their effectiveness. Once this occurs, it is possible to run the now water-logged corn grits through the natural fermentation process and convert them into even more ethanol fuel.
I think this is what brandon was talking about. It's a good read..."Ethanol is NOT a cold weather fuel." Guess the Salt Lake guys should stay away from it during the winter
http://www.fuelsrc.com/index.php/200...h-and-testing/

I'm just not to sure on it yet myself doesn't your mpg go down? Your using twice as much fuel...
anyway I'll be at the track tonight so see who ever there

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