Front vs Rear sway bar thickness?
Jun 11, 2013, 09:00 PM
#1
Front vs Rear sway bar thickness?
I already have 266mm adjustable rear sway bar.
Im looking to upgrade my front sway bar as well.
I was wondering what the rules of thumb were for front/rear combination.
Do you want same thickness front and back?
do you want one side thicker than the other?
Thanks!
Im looking to upgrade my front sway bar as well.
I was wondering what the rules of thumb were for front/rear combination.
Do you want same thickness front and back?
do you want one side thicker than the other?
Thanks!
Jun 12, 2013, 09:52 AM
#3
You won't find much in the way of consensus, because like most car setup questions the answer is "it depends"
What is the primary use you're optimizing for? Track? AutoX? Daily?
What tires, suspension, spring rates, and alignment settings are you using? A lot of people advocate dialing everything else in first, then using the sway bars for gentle fine-tuning. On the other end of the spectrum, you can find some tarmac rally setups using insane sway bar sizes. I think Ralliart makes the biggest one available.
Some of it will come down to your preferences and driving style. Your best bet is to get and adjustable rear bar and adjustable mounts for the front bar. Then tweak and test until you're happy.
What is the primary use you're optimizing for? Track? AutoX? Daily?
What tires, suspension, spring rates, and alignment settings are you using? A lot of people advocate dialing everything else in first, then using the sway bars for gentle fine-tuning. On the other end of the spectrum, you can find some tarmac rally setups using insane sway bar sizes. I think Ralliart makes the biggest one available.
Some of it will come down to your preferences and driving style. Your best bet is to get and adjustable rear bar and adjustable mounts for the front bar. Then tweak and test until you're happy.
Jun 12, 2013, 03:19 PM
#4
You won't find much in the way of consensus, because like most car setup questions the answer is "it depends"
What is the primary use you're optimizing for? Track? AutoX? Daily?
What tires, suspension, spring rates, and alignment settings are you using? A lot of people advocate dialing everything else in first, then using the sway bars for gentle fine-tuning. On the other end of the spectrum, you can find some tarmac rally setups using insane sway bar sizes. I think Ralliart makes the biggest one available.
Some of it will come down to your preferences and driving style. Your best bet is to get and adjustable rear bar and adjustable mounts for the front bar. Then tweak and test until you're happy.
What is the primary use you're optimizing for? Track? AutoX? Daily?
What tires, suspension, spring rates, and alignment settings are you using? A lot of people advocate dialing everything else in first, then using the sway bars for gentle fine-tuning. On the other end of the spectrum, you can find some tarmac rally setups using insane sway bar sizes. I think Ralliart makes the biggest one available.
Some of it will come down to your preferences and driving style. Your best bet is to get and adjustable rear bar and adjustable mounts for the front bar. Then tweak and test until you're happy.
Jun 12, 2013, 05:26 PM
#6
^Im guessing the numbers after the d are the size in mm, correct?
Doesnt the material that the bars are made out of as well as the construction whether its solid or hollow also come into play?
I guess as its already been stated every setup is different. Personally I would go with one that is adjustable or purchase an adjustable mount such as the Cusco piece so you can fine tune it to your liking.
For example when I got my Perrin RSB I was told to put it on full stiffness which I had it on for a while. Then I tried the middle setting and now I am on the softest setting. Its a little bit of trial and error and you will find what suits you best eventually.
Doesnt the material that the bars are made out of as well as the construction whether its solid or hollow also come into play?
I guess as its already been stated every setup is different. Personally I would go with one that is adjustable or purchase an adjustable mount such as the Cusco piece so you can fine tune it to your liking.
For example when I got my Perrin RSB I was told to put it on full stiffness which I had it on for a while. Then I tried the middle setting and now I am on the softest setting. Its a little bit of trial and error and you will find what suits you best eventually.
Jun 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
#7
Yes, that's in MM.
Front 26-29MM
Rear 24-27MM
The really interesting thing to note is that these numbers are COMPLETELY different from what everyone on the forums has been repeating over and over. Everyone says to run a larger rear bar, but clearly this race team suggests the opposite.
Front 26-29MM
Rear 24-27MM
The really interesting thing to note is that these numbers are COMPLETELY different from what everyone on the forums has been repeating over and over. Everyone says to run a larger rear bar, but clearly this race team suggests the opposite.
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Jun 12, 2013, 06:14 PM
#9
Yes, that's in MM.
Front 26-29MM
Rear 24-27MM
The really interesting thing to note is that these numbers are COMPLETELY different from what everyone on the forums has been repeating over and over. Everyone says to run a larger rear bar, but clearly this race team suggests the opposite.
Front 26-29MM
Rear 24-27MM
The really interesting thing to note is that these numbers are COMPLETELY different from what everyone on the forums has been repeating over and over. Everyone says to run a larger rear bar, but clearly this race team suggests the opposite.
thank you.
so i will probably get the thickest up front and adjust my rear.
or just take the middle of both sides and go with same size front and back
Jun 12, 2013, 06:26 PM
#10
Yes, that's in MM.
Front 26-29MM
Rear 24-27MM
The really interesting thing to note is that these numbers are COMPLETELY different from what everyone on the forums has been repeating over and over. Everyone says to run a larger rear bar, but clearly this race team suggests the opposite.
Front 26-29MM
Rear 24-27MM
The really interesting thing to note is that these numbers are COMPLETELY different from what everyone on the forums has been repeating over and over. Everyone says to run a larger rear bar, but clearly this race team suggests the opposite.
Jun 14, 2013, 02:26 AM
#11
Anyone remember the Wall Street Journal dart fund? In essence, the editors threw darts at the financial section of the book and bought the stocks/securities marked by the resulting indentations. That's what this thread is like. Not just this thread, but almost every discussion on this board. Tossing darts hoping for a strike. Look around, see any of the knowledgeable suspension guys that used to respond to almost every thread? No? But, no need to fret. golgo13 and his Prius (for real) are here to guide the community.
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Jun 14, 2013, 05:34 AM
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Stock suspension with a big rear bar is ideal IMHO. Big rear bar on the stock suspension provides much better turn in, handling balance, and front traction. Adding a bigger bar on the front is going to dial back in understeer.
Jun 14, 2013, 09:57 AM
#15
Good to see you too, dude.
People can run whatever they want, I'm just offering my opinion and my source.
Most people will spout off whatever they think is best because it's what they run. I'll trust an opinion that's backed with a source.
EDIT: Get some of the suspension gurus with experience to explain why that source I've posted is incorrect and I'll gladly stop posting it around the forum and repeat their teachings as 'gospel' no problem.
Last edited by golgo13; Jun 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM.