'05 Install of Piggyback ECU?
Yeah, a harness would rock (no pun intended ROCK)!!!
It took me a good 30min with two of us trying to figure out the POS orientation of the diagram!!!
You'd think that it would be as if you are looking directly at the factory harness, right? But, NOOOOO, it's point of reference is like if you are facing it away from you which makes no sense because I had to keep turning it towards me to work on it! This would only confuse me more.
Otherwise, good product!
It took me a good 30min with two of us trying to figure out the POS orientation of the diagram!!!
You'd think that it would be as if you are looking directly at the factory harness, right? But, NOOOOO, it's point of reference is like if you are facing it away from you which makes no sense because I had to keep turning it towards me to work on it! This would only confuse me more.
Otherwise, good product!
Sorry if this is a noob question guys:
I'm considering going with the ecu upgrade. How easy is it to remove, and what if any evidence remains of its installation upon removal (ie spliced wires needing repair etc)?
I'm considering going with the ecu upgrade. How easy is it to remove, and what if any evidence remains of its installation upon removal (ie spliced wires needing repair etc)?
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Piggyback ECU will drive your dealer nuts...and spliced/soldered wiring is a dead giveaway. Personally I'd be willing to pay extra too for a plug 'n play setup that leaves no trace 
Last edited by BlackLab; Feb 15, 2005 at 04:19 PM.
You all should start up another thread... make a poll for it and then pm ROCK about it. He'll watch it and use that to base things off of. He already had issues with the High compression pistons. People said they wanted them so he had some made... then a few baught and a lot of people started complaining about install cost/tuning. In the end a self install cost me 200 bucks(head gasket set/oil/sealant/etc.) and took me about 7 hours labor and 3 hours waiting for the shop to press the old pins off and new ones on. I don't have a piggy or anything but an aem intake/rrm axleback on the car right now. I'm still running a little rich in WOT and perfect everywhere else. What was the big problem??
Now he's saying he probably won't even carry them anymore since the response was negative. People want a harness adapter then when they have to pay 100 bucks for it get all tight and splice it instead. It sucks for him that way. It's worth a try though but don't get your hopes up.
Now he's saying he probably won't even carry them anymore since the response was negative. People want a harness adapter then when they have to pay 100 bucks for it get all tight and splice it instead. It sucks for him that way. It's worth a try though but don't get your hopes up.
Originally Posted by reTro
Yeah, a harness would rock (no pun intended ROCK)!!!
It took me a good 30min with two of us trying to figure out the POS orientation of the diagram!!!
You'd think that it would be as if you are looking directly at the factory harness, right? But, NOOOOO, it's point of reference is like if you are facing it away from you which makes no sense because I had to keep turning it towards me to work on it! This would only confuse me more.
Otherwise, good product!
It took me a good 30min with two of us trying to figure out the POS orientation of the diagram!!!
You'd think that it would be as if you are looking directly at the factory harness, right? But, NOOOOO, it's point of reference is like if you are facing it away from you which makes no sense because I had to keep turning it towards me to work on it! This would only confuse me more.
Otherwise, good product!
Everything on them has you looking at the harness from the wire side now. This makes it supper easy to follow and install. I think the last correction made was on connector #4 the black yellow wire. It used to say bottom left but it is and now states top left.
If they make the harness just an optional piece you can purchase WITH your piggyback ecu, whats the diff? Then people can whine about the price with or without the harness. Most who are actually considering the ecu arent going to be bent outta shape by a solderless harness for an extra $100.00 or so anyway. Doesn't hurt to ask.
no way. the harness extension itself would be expensive since no one makes one yet. the only extension harness out there is the evo one which only fit the OZ 5MT, not the autos. the evo harnesses are AT LEAST $100. ralliart ecu harnesses are new and the plugs would have to be custom made at this point in time because of it. this would possibly make them more expensive than the evo extension harnesses. the first shop to make them would have to buy the plugs in great bulk putting a dent in their wallet if the quick connects don't sell. then you gotta pay extra for RRM to solder plugs to it.
i dunno bout that, but thats not a few extra dollars.
i think the evo extension harnesses will set the price. even though its for the ralliart it wouldn't be sold cheap because with the IX coming out with mivec, there might be anticipation that their ecu might switch over to this new harness. if it was made cheap at first and the evo did switch over to the new harness, then those who sold the ralliart harnesses before would have to price hike. consumers don't like price hikes so they'd probably be sold high in the first place.
i dunno bout that, but thats not a few extra dollars.
i think the evo extension harnesses will set the price. even though its for the ralliart it wouldn't be sold cheap because with the IX coming out with mivec, there might be anticipation that their ecu might switch over to this new harness. if it was made cheap at first and the evo did switch over to the new harness, then those who sold the ralliart harnesses before would have to price hike. consumers don't like price hikes so they'd probably be sold high in the first place.
Also got to take into consideration that RRM has to buy big quantities for items... usually 10 or more. That's a big investement just to have them collect dust if no one really wants to pony up the cash.
Great points rhyzin.
Great points rhyzin.
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Well no one is twising any one's arms at this point...just putting out feelers as suggested. But judging by the number of responces to the poll in just a couple hours, should be no trouble coming up with at least 10 who'll be willing to sign on.
This is a forum for manufacturers to gauge interest in an item - if they feel they can make a product at a profit, they'll offer it. If not, they won't - no harm no foul. Just MHO
I've owned several cars that I've purchased "canned" programming for - all of which worked as a plug 'n play through the cars onboard diagnostic port (a different setup than a piggy yes, but same purpose). The convenience of such a set up to me, just for removing the programming for dealer visits, is a plus and will bring in buyers that otherwise wouldn't consider the piggy.
This is a forum for manufacturers to gauge interest in an item - if they feel they can make a product at a profit, they'll offer it. If not, they won't - no harm no foul. Just MHO
I've owned several cars that I've purchased "canned" programming for - all of which worked as a plug 'n play through the cars onboard diagnostic port (a different setup than a piggy yes, but same purpose). The convenience of such a set up to me, just for removing the programming for dealer visits, is a plus and will bring in buyers that otherwise wouldn't consider the piggy.
Last edited by BlackLab; Feb 16, 2005 at 02:00 PM.
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Leave it to guys to try to read directions.. lol
It took me only 15 minutes on old directions and I AM A CHICK.If you look under my dash there is NO evidence of it being there unless you look in my glove box at the actual Piggyback.My Dealership already knows whats up and they are cool with it.They even complimented me on the neatness and sleek look of the installation.
IMHO.. Its easy.. jsut read the directions.. There was one wire that was in the opposite corner of where they said it would be and was white and red not red and white but its Obvious that it was the ONLY wire that it could possibly be so I connected it and it worked fine.. Obviously I goit the right wire otherwise the car wouldnt be working a month and a half after the install(how long I have had it).
It took me only 15 minutes on old directions and I AM A CHICK.If you look under my dash there is NO evidence of it being there unless you look in my glove box at the actual Piggyback.My Dealership already knows whats up and they are cool with it.They even complimented me on the neatness and sleek look of the installation.
IMHO.. Its easy.. jsut read the directions.. There was one wire that was in the opposite corner of where they said it would be and was white and red not red and white but its Obvious that it was the ONLY wire that it could possibly be so I connected it and it worked fine.. Obviously I goit the right wire otherwise the car wouldnt be working a month and a half after the install(how long I have had it).
AMP does not make the harness plugs, so good luck trying to find the parts to make it
i called digikey and they haven't seen this harness either
there is usually a 100 or so minimum on each part.. so i would guess that it's going to be at least $150 to make it break even
-joe
i called digikey and they haven't seen this harness either
there is usually a 100 or so minimum on each part.. so i would guess that it's going to be at least $150 to make it break even
-joe