any intrest in intake and exhaust hone/bore?
any intrest in intake and exhaust hone/bore?
Ok, here's the deal. It seems like we are running out of things to do to the ralliart short of a full internal swap or forced induction. The obvious weakest links (which are not too weak, which is good for us 
) are the exhaust and intake sides. Fuel supply is an issue, but not unless you are useing forced induction.
So, I was thinking the obvious thing to do would be to replace or optimize our existing intake/exhaust components. RRM is offering the ported/polished intake manifold, which is a great start. how many would be interested in taking it a step further?
I mentioned Extrude Hone a few months ago, and no one really took much interest in it. Let me elaborate a bit since this topic is the center of attention for the RAs this week =)
When you port/polish an intake manifold, header or engine head, you usually just port the first few centimeters and polish the first few inches. This is because the run (ie: the tubes) are long and they bend. Its hard to get manual tools in them to do any work, so you only work on what you can reach.
Abrasive Flow Machining is a process of using a semi-solid/semi-liquid compound to polish and bore the entire run of a header, manifold, head, etc. It uses a thick gel-like goo (think of a soft putty) with tons of small abrasive (rough) gritty particles. it is then forced in and out and back and forth through the runs of one of these peices several times at a very high pressure. Anywhere where the goo is under higher pressure, more honing is done. this reduces friction everywhere, expecially where it is needed most (where conventional tools cant reach!).
What would you be willing to pay for the following:
Full Run Intake manifold abrasive flow maching, polishing and boring
Full Run Exhaust header abrasive flow maching, polishing and boring
What I am proposing is to find out how many are willing to seriously have this done in a timely fashion, acquire a core intake manifold and header for everyone to use (so ur car isnt parked while the work is done), approach extrude hone and see if they will start a program that will let us get it done a price everyone is comfortable with. They already offer fair prices and group buy discounts, but I'll see if we can get something better if people are willing to say put down a 10% deposit and we supply the cores. The usually charge $365 for the intake manifold and $425 for the exhaust. Thats $790 for a one-off job. If we get enough people, i think they may agree to do the combo for $650. Whos interested?
) are the exhaust and intake sides. Fuel supply is an issue, but not unless you are useing forced induction.So, I was thinking the obvious thing to do would be to replace or optimize our existing intake/exhaust components. RRM is offering the ported/polished intake manifold, which is a great start. how many would be interested in taking it a step further?
I mentioned Extrude Hone a few months ago, and no one really took much interest in it. Let me elaborate a bit since this topic is the center of attention for the RAs this week =)
When you port/polish an intake manifold, header or engine head, you usually just port the first few centimeters and polish the first few inches. This is because the run (ie: the tubes) are long and they bend. Its hard to get manual tools in them to do any work, so you only work on what you can reach.
Abrasive Flow Machining is a process of using a semi-solid/semi-liquid compound to polish and bore the entire run of a header, manifold, head, etc. It uses a thick gel-like goo (think of a soft putty) with tons of small abrasive (rough) gritty particles. it is then forced in and out and back and forth through the runs of one of these peices several times at a very high pressure. Anywhere where the goo is under higher pressure, more honing is done. this reduces friction everywhere, expecially where it is needed most (where conventional tools cant reach!).
What would you be willing to pay for the following:
Full Run Intake manifold abrasive flow maching, polishing and boring
Full Run Exhaust header abrasive flow maching, polishing and boring
What I am proposing is to find out how many are willing to seriously have this done in a timely fashion, acquire a core intake manifold and header for everyone to use (so ur car isnt parked while the work is done), approach extrude hone and see if they will start a program that will let us get it done a price everyone is comfortable with. They already offer fair prices and group buy discounts, but I'll see if we can get something better if people are willing to say put down a 10% deposit and we supply the cores. The usually charge $365 for the intake manifold and $425 for the exhaust. Thats $790 for a one-off job. If we get enough people, i think they may agree to do the combo for $650. Whos interested?
They are out of irwin, PA, which is about 10 miles east of Pittsburgh. I dunno about time frame, so its flexable. I think it would go something like this:
1) x people commit to the group buy
2) see if EH agrees to do it
3) If yes, the x people may pay EH a small deposit and I send them the cores.
4) The next person in the list is billed by EH when they are ready to be served.
5) as they get one done, they ship it to the first person on the list, who takes installs and sends their stock parts back to EH
6) repeat from step 4 until everyone is taken care of.
I would guess about 2-3 day turn-around when they have the parts, with up to a week shipping time, one way, depending on where you are. not the fastest, but if it saves me a few hundred dollars, i'll be patient =)
as for gains, some cars can see a 20-30% increase in power. I dont think our car is THAT bad, so i would guess more like 5%-10%, amplified after forced induction. if there is enuf interest, i could try my first if EH will cut me a deal, then they would start the core exchange for everyone else if the results are good. i know i wouldnt send my cash unless i knew it was worth it, but someones gotta be the guinne pig =)
1) x people commit to the group buy
2) see if EH agrees to do it
3) If yes, the x people may pay EH a small deposit and I send them the cores.
4) The next person in the list is billed by EH when they are ready to be served.
5) as they get one done, they ship it to the first person on the list, who takes installs and sends their stock parts back to EH
6) repeat from step 4 until everyone is taken care of.
I would guess about 2-3 day turn-around when they have the parts, with up to a week shipping time, one way, depending on where you are. not the fastest, but if it saves me a few hundred dollars, i'll be patient =)
as for gains, some cars can see a 20-30% increase in power. I dont think our car is THAT bad, so i would guess more like 5%-10%, amplified after forced induction. if there is enuf interest, i could try my first if EH will cut me a deal, then they would start the core exchange for everyone else if the results are good. i know i wouldnt send my cash unless i knew it was worth it, but someones gotta be the guinne pig =)
Sounds good now... however, the core thing scares me... How many will they have during this?! Because if everyone here @ evom are waiting for some douchebag that doesn't have the know how/cash to install these, then it could be a long wait for the core to get back & next person on the list to get their stuff...
yea, that is my one worry. I can try to get a core for both intake and exhaust out of my pocket, which makes one set. If you want to get one of each out of ur own pocket, or live without ur car for the week or so it will take to get done using ur own stock parts, be my guest. But you will end up spending about $500 to get the cores or u will be carless for a while and u will pay full retail price on the service.
Thats why i want there to be a deposit paid to the provider if it happens. If 20 people want it done, one core may take us a freaking year to circulate, so if demand is high enuf, i think we can work something out to speed it up. And i dont think anyone should have to pay a deposit until they are like one of the next, say, 4 people on the list. that way, if we can get a big list, u dont pay ur deposit and not get anything for months. but when its ur turn, it shows that ur serious.
The install shouldnt be all that hard as long as u have basic tools and the ability to follow instructions. if you have a shop do it, it should only take them a couple hours, but i think most of us could manage it. if it happens, ill make a very detailed how-to and be willing to help over the phone while anyone is installing it.
Thats why i want there to be a deposit paid to the provider if it happens. If 20 people want it done, one core may take us a freaking year to circulate, so if demand is high enuf, i think we can work something out to speed it up. And i dont think anyone should have to pay a deposit until they are like one of the next, say, 4 people on the list. that way, if we can get a big list, u dont pay ur deposit and not get anything for months. but when its ur turn, it shows that ur serious.
The install shouldnt be all that hard as long as u have basic tools and the ability to follow instructions. if you have a shop do it, it should only take them a couple hours, but i think most of us could manage it. if it happens, ill make a very detailed how-to and be willing to help over the phone while anyone is installing it.
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whats wrong /w the stock header design? for the price of just the aftermarket header, u can get the header and intake fixed up. besides, weve been looking for someone to do the header for over a year now and on one is interested. they all say the same thing: the stock design is perfect. just clean it up.
2-3 days without a car then? Not too many people will be able to do that. I know I can't. I would love to do it though, then again theres lots of stuf I'd love to do to my car.
ya, there will not be any time without the car the way i discribed. thats the idea. it lets you have something done in a very easy way that is usually a huge pain in the ***.
when i said a 2-3 day turn around on the parts, THAT IS FOR THE CORE! not your parts. you still drive your car every day during the time they do the work and during shipping
when i said a 2-3 day turn around on the parts, THAT IS FOR THE CORE! not your parts. you still drive your car every day during the time they do the work and during shipping
i don't know if you have actually called them on the phone
but the groupbuy only applies if you send them all the parts at once.. you ever seen them set up the machine? it's a PITA. so once they set it up once, they will want to run ALL your parts thorugh it.. not take it down and put it up again when your next set arrives
-joe
but the groupbuy only applies if you send them all the parts at once.. you ever seen them set up the machine? it's a PITA. so once they set it up once, they will want to run ALL your parts thorugh it.. not take it down and put it up again when your next set arrives
-joe
