So what's the purpose of wasting >500$ if you still have to make adjustments. I think this is why they make it laptop programable so that they will get rid of the programing and the buyer get's the headache. I think this is what happens when you wanna be the first in the market to produce something. It's like computer software everyone releases the beta version with a lot of fixes and bugs then in time they will come up with a solution. SO summarizing :
You spend >500$ for a PIGGIBACK (not a stand alone)
You get mad because of leaning and loss of power
Not to mention POSIBLE engine damage
You will hace a PITA installing it and by the end you realize you are not getting good gains from it ,
AT the end YOU GO STAND ALONE
Way to go RRM!!!

 

i have seen the graph of the car in question and yes the afr is way off the safe range...

 

I believe you saw 19 to 1. The question is why and how. Once again that is not how we tuned it. 14 to 1 N/A is how it was tuned for basic mods with MOTEC Sniffer on the dyno! If you got something different then something was changed or different on the mapping. That is it. We have no blow ups ever from cars running base maps and no knowledge of any blow ups from customers doing custom tunes.

ROAD/RACE

 

Sniffer as in after the cat? Another quick question any ideas what the hesitation is caused by? lean? I was running mine with the mods listed in my sig and getting hesitation. More than a few of us have had the hesitation issue which I believe to be a lean condition(in my case it may be caused by my mods).

 

I dont want this getting out of hand so let me clear it all up. I called rock twice , the first time i told him about how the A/F mixture was extremely high and i told him if i could send it back so they could take a look at it. He replied that they couldnt do it because they couldnt tune it for the mods i had and that i was better off going to the dyno. I did say that my friend (thunder-rush) had mentioned some piggys were tuned too lean. But I NEVER made it sound as if "a friend of a friend" said it to me and from the beginning i ALWAYS stated the map was leaned(sorry for caps but it cant be stressed enough). the second call was only to inquire in the type of connection (serial-DB9). That piggy had never been tampered with, cause i was always cautious about the warranty. When rock said they couldnt do anything , thats when i opted to open it and try tuning it. This was never a "rumor" , i showed more than enough proof with the graphs.

 

I was talking about someone else. Not you. I know you.

ROAD/RACE

 

So the rumor was started by someone else and not deathsythe??? So the PB in fact had a lean map??? what was it??? a rumor or a real problem????


The truth here is that i think this has gotten out of hand. Some problems arised with the product and were solved by going to the dyno. Some others dont admit the problem trusting the sensitivity of their butts. And the really sad part is the vendor saying it's a rumor instead of working with the people who is experiencing the problem to fix it.


We have an expresion here that fits the people in RRM in these case "Se les vio la costura" Rock has given a number of different excuses for this "glitch" in the PB and none go with the other.

Again pleas don't let this get personal, let's just try and fix the situation by admiting the problem and working to fix it.

 

Any problem has been solved. We do more customer or product support than every other Lancer vendor put together. The person I refer to said there was a glitch. Guess w hat, he has it hooked up wrong. Now it is fine. IF we see there is a problem, we investigate to resolve it. I heard this from Deathsythe but he was the only one. He was not concerned but not too concerned cause he was at the dyno and could tune it with equipment for AFR reading. I agreed and we left it at that. Otherwise, the 200-300 othe RA piggies out ther are all running fine without any tuning or engine issues.

ROAD/RACE

 

what about rezonates problem??

 

IIRC, I was the first to say that my RA on the dyno (with just intake, exhaust and piggy) put 140wph, and by the third run it did 135whp. But with deathsythe's thread, I realized my car was also running lean because of the piggy.

and for the thread's creator, even though some piggys came with problems, BUY the piggy regardless. My car did 135whp, but on the streets... I won't say much, but trust me, it's a great mod. That's why I did my thread, because of that confusion. The car is running great on the street/track and when tested on the dyno it was weak.

 

i don't know if the maps are much different between autos and manuals but this mod gave me awesome gains withough any problems. my car is off the road for another week or two then i intend on paying the money to put it on a dyno just to see this for myself. I started hooking up my PB and wasnt sure about something and i got RRM on the phone late on a friday and they helped me out. the mod is worth every penny and they are probably the best source we all have for performance.

 

Thanks. That is the RRM we try to be and the Piggy that most everyone reports back about. If there was a problem with one, we always try to resolve it.

ROAD/RACE

 

The piggy is a good mod to have it is working for me even in an aplication it wasnt intended to like forced induction, but I think that every one who buy one should know that if you modify your engine with an intake like AEM or Injen and use the piggy probably would be too lean and will need to retune for the best gains. Rock I will recomend RRM to make a map specially for guys using Injen or AEM intakes and post it in the site in case someone needs it. In that way you make sure that everything is OK. And for the guys buying the piggy I can only say that this product is a tunning device and that to get the best performance out of it you will need to play with it and tune it to your specific needs. If you have the stock intake or the intake MAF has the same diameter as stock or u are using the stock MAF housing but with intake tube this product should perform well right of the box for you. As any other product of this type additional mods needs retune to your specific needs.
Its not RRM fault.
My 2cents.

 

Thanks. I would say that is the most logical answer in this thread. IT is even better than my own. It sums it up nicely.

ROAD/RACE

 

Thats just funny because its what everyone has been saying all along. Basically, if you buy the piggy - get a tune. I don't know anyone on these forums that buys the piggy first and then gets the intake and exhaust later. Typically, due to the cost of the mods its almost always the other way around. So again, what everyones been saying and what Rock just admitted - If you have the piggy and have any mods, get a tune. Great product - just get a tune.