The evo IX has been out for almost a month, give or take a few days or so. With such little time, there is already a company tunning the MIVEC of the car, that's amazing.
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From what ive read, the MIVEC on the evoIX isn't exactly like MIVEC on the ralliart. Even thou the 4G63 is DOHC, the MIVEC system only works on the intake side, a la the ralliart, which is SOHC.
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Question is, based on soley the performance of the MIVEC of both evoIX and ralliart, which has a better tunning ability? The evo is DOHC, but MIVEC only operates on the intake side, not the exhaust side, so does the tunning benefit go to the ralliart, which operates on the intake side but is SOHC, but has the LIFT function? Is the the evoIX MIVEC inferior to the ralliart MIVEC or vica versa?

Well fact is, the ralliart has been out for 3 production years and not one USA tuner has even tuned the MIVEC system for the ralliart. Now, I know some of the PR guys have done somethings for the MIVEC system, but are leaving us somewhat in the dark. The evoIX less than a month, and already has one tunning and im sure more down the line and that's in the US.

What gives? Ask some people around about MIVEC and you get "evoIX!". EvoIX? What about ralliart or even the 4G eclipse and you get this, ... lol. Now, I know the evoIX is a bigger aftermarket, but they didn't add cams, they just play with it a bit and got some good results. Can somebody play with the ralliart MIVEC a bit and give us good results? Call your local dealer and ask them about MIVEC. I called mine and some guy had no idea what I was talking about so he transfer me. Another guy said "Oh, you mean the evoIX"? I said "No, the ralliart" and he said "only the IX comes with the vTEC system", WTF... lol. Anyways, I just can't believe,

1 month > 3 Production years

Sorry for the rant, stupid fox world series... I want to watch HOUSE!!!

 

i haven't read too much into MIVEC since i don't own a ralliart, but the only thing to the mivec switch is a oil pressure sensor. if you create a device that either boost or lessens the voltage, i don't see why such a device couldn't control the mivec switch point. if i owned a ralliart, this sensor would probably be battered all to hell trying to get it to work

if someone had a tech manual on how vtec works, maybe someone can build a device off of that so reading from your sensor would read like vtec. i've read mention of devices on overseas boards but don't remember too much. that oil pressure sensor increases linearly so it seems like a simple device to manipulate.

didn't know the IX had valve timing as well. interesting to know. if the IX has lift and timing, it out-does the RA. if it's just timing, then you'd also have to look at normal valve lift, duration, and valve size. i haven't seen anything on valve timing for the RA. aight then. maybe see you at irvine.

 

Comes down to R&D no one is willing to do it due to the limited demand for parts with this vehicle. It's just not a Honda so they won't touch it. So far the only name brand support we have is on intakes. We don't even have an exhaust from a name brand company (even if an exhaust doesn't add power it still is support and one of the first things a company would make IMO)

PS. No offense to RRM ect.... It would just be nice to have a few other choices rather than following the pack.

 

Well to be a little on the rough but honest side, major tuning companies probably just don't see the RA as a profitable enough to put time and development into our engines. This also goes for the MIVEC systems on both the RA and Evo IX. Whether or not we have a superior MIVEC system, we are just overshadowed by the Evos popularity and of course their performance. I really wish we had the support though, it would be great to see the true potential of our engines.

 

So how do we fix it? If we sit back and do nothing, we get nothing... If we try, we don't really have the strength in numbers to change... Or do we?

 

you can start one up yourself.

 

if more ppl bought the ralliart and understand the potential, then we would be gettin parts. But apparently ppl are gettin Hondas and Mazdas.

 

So your going to the meet? Can't hide up in norcal for too long... sclc ownz j00!

 

Check RPW from Australia they have VR-X Lancer which is the same as our Ralliarts. I'm sure their are in the works for products for that engine.

 

since the 2.4L mivec came out in the eclipse i think that we are going to get a little more parts since it is the same engine and every thing. and we all know how popular the eclipse is!!! gerrr. i dont think we are going to get exhaust from them cause the ralliart and the eclipse are diff. but i think we are going to see pulleys, i hope a MIVEC tuner, and internal mods maybe piston and rods. i dont know i am just guessin hear.

 

most likely comin down. depends on my roommates. i've been waitin for norcal to get their **** together since i joined sclc in '02. frrrget it tho. socal has nicer weather

NORCAL where you at???

i'm hopin the 4G eclipses get better aftermarket love if you guys don't get any. it went way downhill since the 3G and hope it picks back up with the 4G. there's a GT thats parked down the street from my house and every day that i pass by it i love it a little more. i just wished someone found the 600 lb block of lead in the car and finds a way to unbolt it.

mitsu needs spunkier youth focused commercials if you want aftermarket to go up. lots of ricers, lots of parts. an unfortunate fact. i'm still surprised the scion xA and xB have such an aftermarket for not being all that trackable AND having 1.5L engines. crazy.

 

There was a Scion fest around here. Its crazy, the dealership was just packed. I've seen maybe 2 ralliarts around here and both are older drivers.

 

It's simple - more Evo guys have a lot of money to blow on their cars, so it makes sense for them to put a lot of time and money into R&D. The Ralliart? No way. Very very few people in the US are willing to dump some sirious money into their car, because if they had that kind of money to spend, they'd be in an Evo. Ask Rob @ RRM. It's a big frustration for him, I'm sure, in that he'll put time and money into developing a product for us or for the base Lancers, only to have it sit on the shelf and collect dust. Like the auto turbo kit, for example.

We're just not big spenders, and honestly, if I owned a tuning company, I wouldn't look twice at the RA unless it started selling like a Honda.

 

well I have seen my new car today and will be collecting it friday( tommorrow) just need to get a few klm's on it and then it heads to RPW for all the R&D that they need to do - I must say we are all pretty excited here with the potentual that this car has to offer ... even if it is still a sohc car... it is the cubic capacity that has us keen, I have no doubt that we will be able to achieve some very decent numbers straight up, my biggest concern however is getting all this power and torque to the road without having crazy wheelspin 24/7

RPW built my last car and that was awesome in N/A form once we have the basics done which should be no longer than mid december it will not be long before we start seeing cams for the car he already has a 65mm throttle body just about sortd out already which will not interfer with the cruise control or the EBD

someone here mentioned that if people had money to spend they would be buying EVO's I don't think that is entirely true - I have enough money to spend but the way I look at it is we all know what an evo is capable of doing it is the unknown that has me curious

 

Maybe a ralliart in a tuner mag would get more people interested...all the little kiddies would see what they could do, like the article for the OZ.