Traction with a LSD installed
Thats pretty obvious, it seems like the other thing to improve handling in bad conditions is get better tires with our cars.
Originally Posted by KevinO
Point was there are prob no N/A ralliarts with the lsd. Turbo + LSD + snow is not a good comparison for N/A + LSD + snow. If someone with the LSD and turbo says winters still are a *****, you think it's going to be the exact same for an N/A with the LSD? Doubt it.
Originally Posted by k3lv
Ralliart_on_LSD I think had a n/a with LSD. He's one of the few with an LSD and posts.
Originally Posted by Lephturn
For the winter, I have 15" steelies on it, I think 195's? I bought Michelin x-ice and the thing is excellent in the snow. With lots of past experience, not just with the RA, narrower is better in snow. Wider is better with just a tiny bit of snow or ice, but if you have any ammount of snow or (even worse) slush on the road, you want narrower tires.
And no, you can't buy a decent all-season tire. Do that and they suck all year. Seriously. The vast majority of cars up here put on steelies and 4 snows from November - April for good reason. Throw 4 steelies and narrower tires on it and it will do very well in the snow. Mine does.
And no, you can't buy a decent all-season tire. Do that and they suck all year. Seriously. The vast majority of cars up here put on steelies and 4 snows from November - April for good reason. Throw 4 steelies and narrower tires on it and it will do very well in the snow. Mine does.
i'm not sure that i'll subscribe to an LSD not being beneficial in the winter. An LSD is to maximize traction and control wheel spin and you would think snow and ice would qualify as two variables that would cause decreased traction and incresed wheel spin.
Open differentials shift power to the wheel with least resistance or less traction, while an LSD shifts power to the wheel with most resistance, or most traction.
I"m not an expert, or even a mechanic, but I have researched available info on the net and this is the info that companies that produce LSD's provide. Also, many new vehicles with increased power are offering LSD's for improved traction which include many rear wheel drive cars. Just thought i'd throw this out there to see what you all think. cheers!
I will agree that investing in a good set of winter tires (all 4) is the best and cheapest way to be safe during winter months. I know, I drove my car home from the dealership with stock all seasons, and the next day went out and bought blizzacks. Night and day difference.
Open differentials shift power to the wheel with least resistance or less traction, while an LSD shifts power to the wheel with most resistance, or most traction.
I"m not an expert, or even a mechanic, but I have researched available info on the net and this is the info that companies that produce LSD's provide. Also, many new vehicles with increased power are offering LSD's for improved traction which include many rear wheel drive cars. Just thought i'd throw this out there to see what you all think. cheers!
I will agree that investing in a good set of winter tires (all 4) is the best and cheapest way to be safe during winter months. I know, I drove my car home from the dealership with stock all seasons, and the next day went out and bought blizzacks. Night and day difference.
i have to agree with lephturn and pscylancer, my ra works awsome in winter, you just have to get a decent set of snow tires, there wasnt one storm i didnt drive in last year and the only time i have trouble was when i still had my stockers on. frig i even went through some 4 foot drifts at the end of my driveway without much trouble!! its all about the tires (all seasons suck)
While a limited slip will pull both tires equally think about this... W/O a Limited slip one tire is pulling while the other tire is not... The tire that isn't pulling is helping to keep lateral traction and provide direction while the other provides forward thrust... Thats why a good Limited Slip will want to plow forward in slick or icy conditions... It makes both tires want to go the same speed, which is fine in a straight line, but hell around corners in the rain/ice/snow... In a corner the outside tire has to travel further than the inside just to cover the same ground...
My impression was a LSD improved handling and bad weather conditions..its sounds like putting an aftermarket LSD would be pointless if your running your car year round or for daily driving.
Originally Posted by Punkskalar
While a limited slip will pull both tires equally think about this... W/O a Limited slip one tire is pulling while the other tire is not... The tire that isn't pulling is helping to keep lateral traction and provide direction while the other provides forward thrust... Thats why a good Limited Slip will want to plow forward in slick or icy conditions... It makes both tires want to go the same speed, which is fine in a straight line, but hell around corners in the rain/ice/snow... In a corner the outside tire has to travel further than the inside just to cover the same ground...
The S in LSD is slip. If you locked it up, then it would drive like a tank, but they build them to slip enough to handle well around turns.
My point was, the car will still handle like crap in the winter, LSD or not, without 4 snow tires. Traction does not = winter handling. Would the LSD help? Probably, but not nearly as much as a good set of snow tires. The LSD won't help you stop or go around turns, or change lanes in the slush.
Try to run 17x7's with 215/45/17 performance tires, or "all season" performance tires, and it will land you in the ditch, trust me. Buy 4 snow tires for your stock rims if you are getting 17's, and run good summer performance rubber on the 17's for summer only. This way you will get great winter handling/traction and much better dry/wet handling/traction as well.
My point was, the car will still handle like crap in the winter, LSD or not, without 4 snow tires. Traction does not = winter handling. Would the LSD help? Probably, but not nearly as much as a good set of snow tires. The LSD won't help you stop or go around turns, or change lanes in the slush.
Try to run 17x7's with 215/45/17 performance tires, or "all season" performance tires, and it will land you in the ditch, trust me. Buy 4 snow tires for your stock rims if you are getting 17's, and run good summer performance rubber on the 17's for summer only. This way you will get great winter handling/traction and much better dry/wet handling/traction as well.
Originally Posted by r3z0nate
Wasn't it a pita to find snow tires to fit the stockers
Search the tire forum for the winter threads from last year, most of those tire models, or something similar, are available this year.
Last edited by otter; Sep 19, 2006 at 04:47 PM.
Originally Posted by r3z0nate
Wasn't it a pita to find snow tires to fit the stockers
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25
Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2
Michelin X-Ice
Nokian WR
Nokian Hakkapeliitta RSi
Nokian Hakkapeliitta 2 (studded)
Nokian Hakkapeliitta 4 (studded)
Pirelli Winter Carving (studdable)








