im a newbie to manual transmissions and i was just wondering if someone had the time to explain how i can shift in my 06 RA without the clutch.

thanks

 

umm not a very good idea at all... Your trans won't last long. Why don't you want to use the clutch?

 

Exactly.
Even if you can learn how to do it, the process of learning will really put some stress on the synchros. Also, the synchros will make up for any slight difference in speeds between the output and input shaft, which when connected to the engine is REALLY hard on them, even if the speed difference is slight.

 

If you dont know much about manual transmissions yet you shouldn't even try powershifting lol..Trust me you will f*** up your car for sure.

 

I really don't suggest you do that. You can if you had to like if you had no clutch you can limp home like that again not good on the syncros

 

Alright, if you don't want to shift quick I can explain.

Say you are in third gear and want to go into fourth. You would let off the gas while still in third, push the shifter into 4th feeling it close to going in gear, then slowly put it in gear. You do not have to touch the cluth pedal. This makes the syncros and gears do all of the work.

If you want to know how to power shift then I suggest you get ready to accept voiding your own warranty and buying another clutch and trans. At the least for better shifting while trying to jam through gears you need a solid front and possibly rear motor mount and then stiffer shifter bushings. Both of these mods will make the engine move less and shifting more precise. Now you are that much closer to jamming through gears.

Although your 4 posts tell me something I still tried to answer the question. aPersonally on the RA when I slam into a gear it usually feels worse than when I shift quick into it.

 

My suggestion is to never even try it. It's pointless and just trying it once will put too much wear on everything, especially synchros, which you want to last as long as possible. If you want to try some new shift techniques, there's tons of resources to help you learn the double-clutching and heel-toe, which will do the opposite and once mastered will allow your synchros to last longer. I can't see any benefit of a clutchless shift for any reason, but a quick, smooth, wear-saving double-clutch heel-toe is a sweeet feeling and there's plenty of reasons to do it, especially in winter driving.

 

Everyones said it all. Don't shift without any clutch action.

Can I know at least why you want to shift without using the clutch?

 

In case your clutch hydraulic system fails and you can't release the clutch, you could possibly limp the car home. ** I would not recommend it, though. **

I've done it, made it the rest of the way to work and back home again, but it wasn't fun. If you do it, keep the rpms down, shift at 2000-2500 rpm, rather than 4500 or higher. It'll make it easier to rev-match to get it to slide into the next gear. The lower the rpm you shift at, the easier it is. In my case, I granny shifted at like 2000 rpm until I got into 5th gear, then gave it gas to get up to highway speed. In traffic, it truly sucked. In order to stop, you have to pull it out of gear and hit the brakes. To go again, you have to shut the engine off, put it in 1st gear, and start the engine again.

It's good to understand how it could be used, not so good to try it unless absolutely necessary.

 

i see i was under some misconceptions. A guy i was talking too at the car dealership explained it to me as if u do it right your not hurting nething, its just about timing, i guess he was wrong though. i was just curious as to how it could be done. Im not gonna attempt it if it could **** up my transmission though. Thanks for the advice

 

OK i dont understand what do you mean by shifting without using the clutch, IF you mean shifting (RACE MODE) you cant my friend, yes if you practice it, you can shift very very fast and WOT its good , but you need to use the clutch, hehe

If your talking about cruising at low speeds you can actually shift with out using your clutch, yes you can and if you know how to do it, you wont hurt your tranny and the shifter will go as smooth as if you were using the cluch, BUT probably you will damage your tranny learning how to do it so i totally dont recomend you to do it

I havent done it on my RA, but on my Civic I do it all the time, I go from 1 to 2,3,4,5 with out using the clutch and go back to 1st and My tranny didnt say anything, just like new, hehe

 

He's not technically wrong, if you are EXACT, you aren't hurting anything. A few problems with this.
1. It will take you a long time to get this precise, by the time you do, you will have done a number on the synchros.
2. You may NEVER be exact enough, but you won't know because like I said, the synchros make up for any mismatch in speed. As mentioned, this is VERY hard on them when the engine is still connected to the transmission.


Here's some wikipedia.

The synchronizer has to change the momentum of the entire input shaft and clutch disk. Additionally, it can be abused by exposure to the momentum and power of the engine itself, which is what happens when attempts are made to select a gear without fully disengaging the clutch. This causes extra wear on the rings and sleeves, reducing their service life. When an experimenting driver tries to "match the revs" on a synchronized transmission and force it into gear without using the clutch, it is actually the synchronizer that makes up for any discrepancy in RPM, deceiving the driver into an exaggerated sense of how much human skill was involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_...on#Synchromesh

 

I've had the hydraulic master clutch cylander go out in my del sol before and I had to drive it into the shop with no clutch. Lemme tell you, its not fun at all and it is really hard on the car. You might want to try it once or twice to prepare yourself for an emergency situation. I think everybody that drives a manual car should learn to operate it without a clutch but its not something that you want to make a habit of.

 

It would probably be best to learn how to drive it without a clutch when the situation comes about. No point in stressing the car that much if you dont have to.

 

Very good advice. I priced out a tranny just for the heck of it ...you looking at about $4500. thats what my stealership wanted. Personally, i dont have that money to play around with.. even if i did....i'll get a turbo or something. Good luck...
now what you can do is by a POS and try it on that if you really want to...

Laterz