My Evo VIII RS Aquamist HSF-1 Install :)
Good luck with it. Things that aren't going away anytime soon:
Clubs, Racing, Movies, Restaurants...people can be broke but will still go out to the club, still buy parts for their car even with a suspended/no license, still go to the movies, and americans LOve to eat.
Clubs, Racing, Movies, Restaurants...people can be broke but will still go out to the club, still buy parts for their car even with a suspended/no license, still go to the movies, and americans LOve to eat.
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there turning all the hotties into BGP I've thought about the restaurant thing too and have an idea for one
I'm going to try my luck today installing the a newer version of evoscan
did you ever get yours working??
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So I fixed the GINORMOUS alky leaks I had with my 4mm lines tonight and did a flow test. With 2 1.0mm nozzles it flowed 738 grams of 100% Kleen Strip Denatured Alcohol. I looked up the MSDS sheet for it and its 792 grams per liter so:
738/792=0.9318
(1 liter) 1000cc's*0.9318= 931.8cc's per minute@100% duty cycle....at 0 psi of back pressure,just filling a container. When boosting it won't be able to flow that much of course. I believe the regulator is set to 125psi so at 29psi of peak boost its the equivalent of the pump running at 96psi.
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738/792=0.9318
(1 liter) 1000cc's*0.9318= 931.8cc's per minute@100% duty cycle....at 0 psi of back pressure,just filling a container. When boosting it won't be able to flow that much of course. I believe the regulator is set to 125psi so at 29psi of peak boost its the equivalent of the pump running at 96psi.
Good info
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So I fixed the GINORMOUS alky leaks I had with my 4mm lines tonight and did a flow test. With 2 1.0mm nozzles it flowed 738 grams of 100% Kleen Strip Denatured Alcohol. I looked up the MSDS sheet for it and its 792 grams per liter so:
738/792=0.9318
(1 liter) 1000cc's*0.9318= 931.8cc's per minute@100% duty cycle.
Good info
738/792=0.9318
(1 liter) 1000cc's*0.9318= 931.8cc's per minute@100% duty cycle.
Good info

You are my math numbers guru guy
no bull**** good info
I got that evoscan 2.5 installed
I decided to flow test my setup tonight and the second I manually triggered it alky came flying out of every 4mm quick connrct fitting! I think I was just given a bad bit of 4mm hose since its not a HUGE issue with most users. Then again most users probably don't manually trigger their systems too often to check for leaks. Well, my denatured alcohol is almost the exact same density at pure meth so I would IMAGINE you are flowing half of what I am since I run 2 nozzles to your one. Take your max injector duty cycle and multiply it by .001, then by 466. That should roughly be the most alky you'll spray into the engine. It will actually be lower since the pump pressure has to fight the boost pressure inside the IC piping.
Don't bring up Evoscan...Jeff might hear you.
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I decided to flow test my setup tonight and the second I manually triggered it alky came flying out of every 4mm quick connrct fitting! I think I was just given a bad bit of 4mm hose since its not a HUGE issue with most users. Then again most users probably don't manually trigger their systems too often to check for leaks. Well, my denatured alcohol is almost the exact same density at pure meth so I would IMAGINE you are flowing half of what I am since I run 2 nozzles to your one. Take your max injector duty cycle and multiply it by .001, then by 466. That should roughly be the most alky you'll spray into the engine. It will actually be lower since the pump pressure has to fight the boost pressure inside the IC piping.
Don't bring up Evoscan...Jeff might hear you.
Don't bring up Evoscan...Jeff might hear you.
maybe I'll do some logging today with evoscan oops I mean that one program 
I'm thinking more about ecu boost control and as much as I wanna order a gm 3port right now I should prob hold off a few weeks. So if I were to mess with it I would right now have to use mac valve or stock bcs so I'll just drive the car and wait
So I just calculated how much gas I am replacing with the meth kit and it is replacing 27%, so 73% is pump gas (10% ethanol mix) and 27% is 100% denatured alcohol (Kleen Strip Brand). Here is some info I've been accumulating for a while now to figure out what AFR I should be shooting for:
Gasoline
stoich= 14.7:1(1.0 lambda)
power= 12.5:1(.850 lambda)
power= 11.5:1(.781 lambda)
Gasoline w/10% Ethanol
stoich=14.1:1(1.0 lambda)
power=11.8:1(.837 lambda) (12.3:1 on WB gauge)
Methanol
stoich= 6.4:1(1.0 lambda)
power= 5:1 (.781 lambda)
Ethanol
stoich=9:1(1.0 lambda)
power= 6.5:1(.722 lambda)
Denatured Alcohol
stoich=7.7:1(1.0 lambda)
power=5.8:1(.751 lambda)
73% gas(w/10% ethanol blend) + 27% Denatured Alcohol
stoich= 12.37:1(1.0 stoich)
power= 10.18:1(.813 lambda) (11.9:1 on WB gauge)
Now, to help with even cooler combustion chamber temps most people add about 8% more fuel to the mix which would take the 12.5:1 power ratio for standard gasoline down to 11.5:1 which we all know is an average AFR target on this engine.
Seeing as the 100% denatured alcohol mix cools the air charge slightly (far less than a water mix) as its introduced into the engine, I would say that a little less than 8% is needed but I will use it as a fair target. The max power AFR for my alky mix has a lambda value of 0.813 . So to add 8% fuel we just do some math: .813/1.08= 0.753 lambda. To find out that that would read on a STANDARD 14.7:1 stoich wideband gauge you just multiply the lambda value by 14.7. 14.7*0.753= 11.0:1 AFR
So my target for my power curve is 11.0:1 on my wideband. I hope you guys can follow this,lol. I tend to shoot a hair leaner in the 11.3-11.5AFR on my wideband but I really saw no gains going any leaner.
Gasoline
stoich= 14.7:1(1.0 lambda)
power= 12.5:1(.850 lambda)
power= 11.5:1(.781 lambda)
Gasoline w/10% Ethanol
stoich=14.1:1(1.0 lambda)
power=11.8:1(.837 lambda) (12.3:1 on WB gauge)
Methanol
stoich= 6.4:1(1.0 lambda)
power= 5:1 (.781 lambda)
Ethanol
stoich=9:1(1.0 lambda)
power= 6.5:1(.722 lambda)
Denatured Alcohol
stoich=7.7:1(1.0 lambda)
power=5.8:1(.751 lambda)
73% gas(w/10% ethanol blend) + 27% Denatured Alcohol
stoich= 12.37:1(1.0 stoich)
power= 10.18:1(.813 lambda) (11.9:1 on WB gauge)
Now, to help with even cooler combustion chamber temps most people add about 8% more fuel to the mix which would take the 12.5:1 power ratio for standard gasoline down to 11.5:1 which we all know is an average AFR target on this engine.
Seeing as the 100% denatured alcohol mix cools the air charge slightly (far less than a water mix) as its introduced into the engine, I would say that a little less than 8% is needed but I will use it as a fair target. The max power AFR for my alky mix has a lambda value of 0.813 . So to add 8% fuel we just do some math: .813/1.08= 0.753 lambda. To find out that that would read on a STANDARD 14.7:1 stoich wideband gauge you just multiply the lambda value by 14.7. 14.7*0.753= 11.0:1 AFR
So my target for my power curve is 11.0:1 on my wideband. I hope you guys can follow this,lol. I tend to shoot a hair leaner in the 11.3-11.5AFR on my wideband but I really saw no gains going any leaner.
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