Supercharged Lancer anyone??
 

Wondering if there are any other Australian Lancer owners on the forum with supercharged engines. We could share some experiences maybe :)

Once that supercharged boost gets flowing it takes a fair machine to outrun the potent 4G93 :D

I was thinking about doing something like that to mine! How much would it cost, I have a 2002 CE Lancer just like yours (cept black and 4 door ). I seen your vids and your pretty damn quick!! What implications are there for doing this? does it affect anything internally? What about insurance, id definatley need insurance , is insurance possible ? Im 22, no claims and had my car for 2 years? dont know if that means much!

But let me know!

Cheers

Sorry, should have checked your site first! are there any extra costs ? I would only consider getting the 160kw version if anything.

Implications? Unless you get a FULL brake upgrade (rotors, pads, calipers, lines) I wouldn't even think about it. I doubt ANY insurance company would be brave enough to cover you without that mod to go with the supercharger.

I respect what Raptor has done to his car, but I can't really see the point. Why wouldn't you just turbo the standard engine, or get a transplant? Turbos are well known as being far more efficient that s/charging and will ultimately produce better power.

IMHO, supercharging really only makes sense on vehicles where a turbo install wont fit, or is simply too cost prohibitive. The Lancer isn't one of those vehicles.

I thought this thread was started to ask if anyone else had supercharged lancers, not to downgrade and discourage ppl from getting a blower. But while you brought it up, there are advantages of supercharges and turbos. Yes, turbos have the potential for greater power gains, but with a supercharger you get instant power because there is no "lag" as what you would get with a turbo so for city driving or races over short distances where take off is critical, then a supercharger would be more of an advantage. It just comes down to what you want to get from your car.

There is already a thread with this discussion of Supercharger vs. Turbo so i dont think it is necassary to start it again. :p

The above statement is incorrect. Our car is comprehensively insured for just a few more dollars than a stocker, the age of the driver does help immensly. So if you want to get boosted, know your car is insurable with people like Shannons etc.

Supercharge or turbo there is no particular difference in the net power gain @ at given psi. The supercharged setup is beautiful to drive, just like big block V8, nice power everywhere instead of a sudden step where the power suddenly starts happening like in turbo setup. The supercharger setup has superior fuel economy, maybe that says something about the efficiency of what we are doing :) , and the power is certainly there

MRlancerboy is right, lets stick with the thread direction, who else out there has a supercharged Lancer

Raptor started this thread to sell superchargers, period. He sells them, he wants you to buy them, lets not get all romantic about his intentions.

I'd feel much more comfortable about his integrity if he spent as much time encouraging potential buyers to consider the implications of installing a supercharger - such as making sure you perform a comprehensive brake upgrade, the fact that your insurance options decrease markedly - as he does trying to sell them to young and impressionable forummers with cash to spend.

Raptor is actually pure with his intention on this thread, this is a Lancer owners interest thread and shall remain open to all who have supercharged Lancer/s in Aus and USA if they like. RIPP kits and all manner of US kit owners are welcome to post as are Australians with PD blowers etc etc. Who knows someone maybe be running a Lysholm or Vane type both effective in their own fashion

I also can offer a 4 wheel disc kit if you like (our price is competitive), however people perfer to arrange their own barkes as they like, thats the benefit of free choice :). There are many brake upgrade kits also available through RPW etc who certainly don't mind providing this service to anyone who has a boosted Lancer, super/turbo or otherwise.

Grandad, its not to hard to be impressioned with the facts. There are some thread prior to this which are tell the story going back a little while now. :)

Maybe we could do something with your BMW to make it a little more exciting :) and make your life more interesting

EVO8 if you like start a new thread dedicated to whatever you agenda is and let this one continue for the original purpose as stated in first lines of this post.

Grandad? I'm only 30 mate, and the BMW is going this Friday to make way for an Evo8. My last 4 cars have been a TX3 turbo, Lancer GSR turbo, sub-13 Subaru WRX, and an Evo 4 Lancer.

All i'll add (unless provoked into something further) is that whilst $5300 sounds pretty sweet to supercharge your Lancer, thats hardly the end of your costs if you want to do the job properly. Just helping the kids - and many of them are 'kids' - to look a little bit deeper and not be swept up in testosterone marketing.

:)

Lol, i think there is some truth in that! Dont get me wrong, this is a good place to sell your products with other enthusiasts, but I have to agree with Evo8 here.

Evo8, I appreciate your help in regards to "hidden costs" when boosting stock lancers. I would love to do it but I am too sceptical of what else I would need to do and what I will have to replace, 6,12 months down the track. $5k is a lot of money to throw at them when I wont be getting it back, a car is hardly an investment.

Oh, and im no kid :) 22, but still just as unfamiliar and inexperienced with mods i spose!

I was provoked. ;)

tux - it does cost a lot to properly mod a car. I had an $8000 APS R/T spec kit put on my MY98 wrx, but that wasn't the end of the costs by a long shot.

Insurance leaped from about $1500 a year to over 3K, and unless I wanted a prohibitive excess attached to it, I could only get that from Shannons. Fortunately, I could afford it and had budgeted for it. I then fitted the MY99-spec 4 pot front brakes and lines with an MY99 master cylinder and booster. Pagid pads all round. Another grand, once fitted. {OMG} btw, thats not retail, I bought them off a mate upgrading to Brembos.

If you can afford to mod your car properly, go right ahead. But if you just want to do half the job and make it go fast you are creating a 1 tonne deathtrap for you, your passengers, and the public at large.

I note that Raptor mentions a four wheel disc kit. First of all, how much is that? Whats included? Master cylinder, lines, pads, calipers????? I can't believe that people would even consider fitting a s/c to a car that has drum brakes residing at one end!

Cat got your tongue Raptor? I'm waiting for brake upgrade details, out of interests sake. I'm sure a few prospective buyers might also be interested.

:)

Surely a brake upgrade isnt necessary....I mean it will still take the same amount of braking to stop from 100 as it did before? The car will not be noticeably heavier will it? The brake upgrade is an upgrade that should be thought about anyway isnt it or if you are going to be on a circuit where extreme braking is an issue i would have thought. So it shouldnt be a compulsory upgrade just because you can get to speed quicker.......could be wrong though!


Jaime

strangely that is a sore point with the lancer as the standard brakes are prone to warpping if abused from pulling a car up after its had a head of speed up.

just ask chowetime about how quick her brakes started to show the strain of slowing her car down which brought about the 4 wheel disc conversion using some decent brakes of the jap spec gsr ce which do look nice and now pulls it up in no time

EVO8downunder reply
 

Further to a well and truly hijacked thread :)

OK, our car (private) meets the requirements of our insurer and the state regulations in its current state and has been inspected by certified inspection station in accordance to the appropriate codes. In this its brakes are genuine Mitsubishi.

I might add as sonic has that if you are driving within regulated speed zones and are you are not breaking the law ie exceeding zone speed limit then car is not more or less dangerous than it ever was. It is still one ton of mass than can and will be sufficiently braked within normal braking distances if you are driving within in the law. So no, its not . If the road sign is 60 then 60 you go and car will always be able to stop safely within original specifications............ditto for the rest.

Circuit or some other form of competition will definitely required a better braking system. But thats another thing altogether, and I would also suspect many insurance companies will not insure a car in this environment as well.

As for ongoing costs the first level has none, car will perform flawlessly for a long time. Above that level a clutch kit is recommended, otherwise keep driving :) . How do I know this??? Its what we do everyday! My insurance went up from $380 to $460 for full comprehensive (qld) after blower kit was added. Didn't cause too much pain and its actually a little cheaper than that at the moment.

Further to our friend EVO8downunders shining example of righteousness is this, quoting him
. I think I could safely say all your cars were modified to some degree and in doing so possibly none of them complied (maybe the APS setup was within the laws) with the ADRs laid down for them. A 12 something second subaru wouldn't be too much safer if any safer than a 14 second Lancer, braking wise. And I will add, I have a WRX too :D MY98, so yes I do have some idea of whats going on!

Hope this has covered most things.

Shining example of responsiblility more like it. You spend all your time extoling the virtues of a s/c install, but sweet FA discussing the pitfalls. And how many people install a s/c and then drive it like a stocker? Considering the younger demo of Lancer NA owners, you've gotta think that the vast majority of your clientele are going to use the new found power and drive more aggressively than usual. READ: Beyond the road rules.

Of course, you picked out what you wanted to. You may recall I said that if you can afford to do the job properly, go right ahead. It sounds good. :)

The TX3 was modded with an exhaust and chip. Legal with the NRMA.
The GSR was fully engineer approved, and had such essentials as Evo3 brakes.
As you correctly assumed, the WRX kit was an ADR approved mod
The Evo4 was unmodified bar a cat back HKS exhaust.

btw, still waiting for your brake upgrade kit details. Your car alledgedly has 180hp atw (I believe thats about 130kW), yet you run standard brakes, which would be drums at one end? :confused:

The brake kit contains whatever the customer wants it to contain, and there are varying levels, the components are supplied to us by a brake specialist. Customers regularly have economic constraints and choose to take items one at a time as they can afford it, and they are welcome to have the braking however they want it.

I have various catalogues of engine kits for cars .... all types and even more numerous web references of suppliers of same. There is no significant difference (concerning brake inclusions in engine kits) between what they do and I do, so I imagine you are going to have a lot of letter writing ahead of you in order to make certain they are all responsible as you think they should be.

As for this What you are seeing as pitfalls really aren't, its just your way of seeing it. Me and other RSC owers are enjoying their machines everyday without any problem whatsoever. Everyone ( I have delt with) checks the cost of insurance before they buy, they recieve full instructions about how to service and maintain the vehicle which has been boosted, oil change times, fuel quality etc etc. There is comprehensive instructions on how to get the best out of the system together with warnings about how to properly (safely)dyno tune the car, etc etc etc. So what you have said ( in above) quote is way out of line.


This is all turning into a good thing, its getting to be revealed just how high a level on information is supplied to our customers, those who aren't customers never find out! :D

Have to get something together to give these EVO 8's a fright now :D Maybe a 250 kit should put them in their place nicely, with appropriate braking of course :D... parachute/s

Peace.

I'll just add that I was referring to our online discussions here, not your conversations with customers prior to the install at your premises, so I don't think the quote was 'way out of line'.

:)

“Those who are the first to judge are the first to be judged”

I feel you may have jumped the gun here Evo8DownUnder, I see your point and I think we all agree there are some valid points. However what you are failing to look at is the relationship behind the scenes with the customer. When you do research into the 4G93 you will find that these particular kits are among the best on the market. It is not the responsibility of the vendor to make sure you have the correct brakes or tyres that are legal or an appropriate suspension set up, funny enough though customers have told me how thorough he his in recommending such things.

Lets get back to topic please!

Hey guys - would it be viable to supercharge or tubo up an automatic?

Can anyone give me a complete rundown of what price I'd be looking at and what long term damage/replacements I'd be looking at?

Cheers!

Dont know much about the costs associated, But i am sure it is viable to Supercharge an automatic, i know that there is one in Brisbane getting around, hes been in Hot4s etc. Its the Gremlin lancer (GREMLN) . The owner gets around on the boostcruising webpage and his car is currently for sale. I spose i havent answered your question, but at least it has been done before, sucessfully !{thumbup}

I have that Hot4s magazine and I do recall that car.

I'm just wondering what long term damage it could possibly do and how much I need to seriously save up for.

We don't anything for automatics, so I guess a turbo will be the thing for you. RPW can do you a turbo for around the $6000 or so if you want if proper

Or you could just save the $6000, sell your car, and buy a nice CC GSR with all that cash.

Hmmm I couldn't sell my little beast now - not after all we've been through togethor!

I think supercharging it would be better for street racing...so I'll have to keep looking around then...

what is wrong with having drums at one end? there are turbocharged lancer here in the u.s. rated at over 200hp atw and has rear drum brakes.

Even Commodores and Falcons suffer from this problem and there stock with hundreds fo thousands of coins spent in devolepment on these components. So a company like DBA can prevent this when its there components that appear on C'dores and Falcons and with the revised parts fitted the consern is still occouring. I've seen cracks in the discs that you can see light through and shudder that feels like your a first time driver that aint got no cluch control and your roo hopping around a carpark somewhere.It comes down to the way its driven in my eyes. Keep up the maintence on the brakes (ie change the brake fluid more and inspect your brakes more) and dont drive like a toss, and they'll still look after you!


You own a high performance car do some high performance maintence.

i have an auto to and i want to boost it in the future too. how did the gremlin lancer get a raptor supercharger if its auto?i reckon the stock brakes suck. i wana upgrade mine and im still NA.

Vr4 , I myself have an auto but i do plan to boost this with supercharger from a 4agze (SC12). This is the eaton type and not the centrifugal type which is simmilar to turbos.

Yes there will be some power lost due to belt driven but it will more than make up for it when boost kicks in. As far as I heard of anyways (I could be wrong) but with this type of sc (positive displacement roots type) power is linear so torque comes in from down low so good for a little street cred. Its not like you can drag everyone on the street.

Centrifugal superchargers are like turbo , very good for drag specially but may also have lag characteristics like turbo albiet this days apparently lag are very minimal.

As for why supercharging cant be done to an auto, I realy dont know why we even questions this, I am sure there have been at least one factory supercharged auto out there.

seized i saw this done in HOT4s aswel and looked good. youll have to keep me posted. i know autos can be supercharged look at mercs. with an auto the car will hold boost through gears since there is no throttle drop out.

If your looking for any brand factory Auto blower.. look atta Holden Commodore.. they used the Eaton S/C on thier 3.8 v6s, and plenty of them are Auto..

RippModds in America were doing Auto Supercharged Lancers, i think you'll find they have thier own forum in here, under the Vendor Section...

Pete.

im not in the market to buy a supercharged auto i just want to supercharge my auto.

yeah so am I, I only want to supercharge my missus's car which is why it is automatic.

Thanks for your moral support RexHunta.

all your cars are slow.

Good effort Boni - how long did it take for you to think up that post loser!



Jaime

boni u got the thermal dynamics nailed on your car by looking at it. best u put in some research about what u are doin and what your sayin

Hows the supercharger biz, raptor? Haven't seen you around in a loooong time.

Hey, yes larger that life!! Check out the new 4G15 kit on www.raptorsc.com.au

I don't come to this forum much, but yep still around. Our product is getting a slight revamp in that the compressors will now get housing with HKS styling (like T51R turbo) and some other updated components.

Just looked at the website. Nice products and videos of tested machines and your in Queensland

raptor hows your rocket goin. its good to see your still developing and produceing a quality product. keep up the good work

Thanks for the encouragement.

The Lancer 1.8 is going for a 13 sec quartermile this Friday night, trying to increase the traction enough to make it happen, whether we get the grip remains to be seen. We have gotten down to a 14.016 so far on stock everything suspension wise............ tyres, struts, swaybar/s etc etc.

Anyhow if we do I will let you all know

Raptor, do you recommend any other piggy back ECu's apart from the Xede or the Emanage?

Can a Motec be used in your S/C application?

How did your track day turn out?

WADAD

There are full plug ins from Wolf and Haltech now. You could check them out as well.

Went to the local test and tune, all runs were between 100.15 - 100.22 mph and 14.01 - 14.05. Just can't beat the wheel spin on stock tyres and suspension. 13 is so close but will need slicks to do it. Always good to see the car staying consistant year after year tho