So I have been doing alot of reading and I now know what kind of setup I'm looking to run on my EVO. I just got a completely stock 2004 black EVO. I have been doing alot of reading on strokers and turbos for the last 3-4 months and I have decided to go with the AMS 2.3l stroker with the GT35r.

Now not having any parts at all on the car I need to know over the course of a year what parts I'll need to get this car in to the mid 10's. I would like to do almost all of the work myself. But somethings like the stoker and tranny will be done at AMS or TRE.

What should I buy now and next week and so on and so forth?

 

Do you have upwards of 10k to spend for all of that?

 

setting here with me right now? No I dont i just put 7k down on the EVO. But over the next year ill have more then that. In my estimates it will cost over 25k.

 

I'm saying 10k for your stroker(bottomend), Port polish the head (topend) while the motor is apart, and turbo kit. That doesn't even include the tranny hop up. That's maybe another 800.

Plus a host of supporting parts. Cash cash cash.

Oh and you'll need something to control that. Xede w/smart(1400) or AEM EMS(2200+)

That's all extra. No insurance or car payments in the above mod budget.

 

I would recommend AMS's upgrade path or a similar path. Have a plan, so you only purchase the parts that make sense for you. If you are sure that you are going to do this, have a plan on what you want the car for and go from their.

Are you going to road race the car or drag race? Or is it more for the street? Are you going to run pump gas most of the time or race gas? Is this going to be a daily driver or weekend car?

All of these decisions will help guide the path of what makes most sense for the car and the set-up. Anytime you mod the car to this extent, you have to be prepared for downtime an unexpected issues.

Power wise, get an exhaust, cams, injectors, intercooler, fuel pump and some sort of EMS to start off with. Then I would get the head done. Then you may want to consider handling and brakes upgrades.

Keep the stock turbo until you are sure you are going to change it. The stock turbo on the '05 is very good and you can easily get 350awhp with the right combination of the above parts on 93 pump gas.


Just my $02. cents.....

 

What you would need is the stage 1-3 minus a few parts / swapping them out

AEM EMS
1000 CC injectors
AMS FMIC
AMS Catback Exhaust
Exedy Tripple carbon Clutch
ARP head studs
Upper IC pipe with Tial BOV
AMS Fuel System
HKS DLI ignition System
AMS Water injection System
AMS GT35R Turbo kit
HKS 280/280 cams
Boost Gauge
Oil Pressure Gauge
Boost Controller
AEM UEGO Gauge
AMS 2.3 liter shortblock
and if you would like an extra kick in the pants I say go for the AMS VSR intake manifold.

Thats what you need but as was mentioned above most guys in your shoes work the stages over. Yes you will be buying somethings twice but you will have a nice running car all the way up to your big build. and you can always sell the used parts and not take too much of a hit.

Eric

 

I know where you are coming from. I think there has been some good information given so far, but I will bet it is not really what you were looking for. For example, these are things you are worrying about:

- Don't want to buy an intake now and then have to get a new one when you switch to the big turbo and VTA BOV.
- Can't buy the monster race IC now becasue when you swap turbos you will need to get a different lower IC pipe. Also, big IC, small stock turbo might not be too good.
- Don't want to buy an exhaust now because you will need a new downpipe when you switch to the big turbo.
- Plus this new DP will have to mate up with whatever exhaust you chose, so your choices are limited.
- You can't switch to the big turbo before breaking in the 2.3 for fear of hurting the turbo with all the minute particles that are shaved off in the break in process.
- don't know if you should get the trans and full driveline built now or wait until you start breaking stuff.
- can't build the dual fuel pump system first because you will need some sort of fuel management so you don't run pig rich.
- don't want to put the cams in now because that time and effort will be wasted because they can pop them in when the engine is torn down for the 2.3 build.
- plus if you do things in too many small steps you will spend a fortune on EMS tuning between each step

What you are looking for is a step by step process with the large items listed out for you so that you know exactly what to do in what order so that you don't:
1 - Have huge down time -or-
2 - Have to save all your money and spend $25K all at once -or-
3 - Replace part you just bought a couple months ago.

Unfortunately I have not been down this road yet so I do not have the answers. I, like you will be attempting it this winter. Hopefully someone can help us out.

EVOlutionary

 

Your upgrade path will, to a large extent, be dictated by your choice of EMS. If you decide to initially get an SAFC, then you'll need to also get injectors and I believe the same holds true for getting an AEM (someone correct me if I'm wrong pls), on the other hand if you get a XEDE, then you won't need bigger injectors until you go with a bigger turbo.

Besides that, the initial buildup is fairly simple and can be DIY (in order of my preference):
- fuel pump
- exhaust (might consider just cat back for now)
- engine management (tuning)
- cam gears
- cams (HKS 272 or 280 depending on how aggressive you want to go)
- gauges

I'd keep the stock snorkel (airbox) until you get the turbo kit.

Then you start looking at the big ticket items, which should be done at the same time to save cost, but you could split them as follows:
- stroker kit
- tranny and clutch (do this at the same time the engine is out)
- build/port head
- injectors

--break in period--

The remainder can also be DIY... except probably for the tuning
- turbo kit
- FMIC
- Intake manifold

With lots of tuning thrown in between. HTH...

l8r)

 

That was more like what I was looking for. The only thing with that is I'll need my AEM EMS in the first stage and I'll have to get tuned all three times. The money for tuning is not the problem its that there is no one in michigan to do it. And I might get stuck trailering the car down to AMS for the 1st and 3rd tune........

Ludikraut thank you very much that was what I was looking for.

 

Glad I could help. I've been through most of the process ... and not always the easy way.

l8r)

 

AMS 2.3L
AMS/FPH Head with Dual Spring and 1mm oversize valve
HKS 280
HKS pulley
AMS ingnition kit
NGK 9 plug
AMS 1200hp fuel kit kit
AMS 1000cc inj.
AMS Intake Manifold
AMS GT35R or AMS GT42R
AMS Test pipe
AMS Catback
AMS Race FMIC
AMS Mentahol
AEM EMS with map sensor and everything
TRE Race Tranny with 3.84 finial
Exedy Triple Carbion

You would get 600whp-650whp with C16 and GT35R or 750whp-830whp with C16 and GT42R.

 

I would make your car into a healthy Z06 eater saying low 12's and then take your 10k and by an asskick bike. Id have to have a 7 sec Evo to be satisfied after riding bikes.

 

Ang Wen Yan,

I see you are from KL. I've been there before - nice place! My best friend from college lives there. How is the car scene in Malaysia?

EVOlutionary

 

Did you try TRE 3.84 final gear?
Is it really better that stock?

 

It's not so much that it's "better" than stock, but if you're making serious power (looks like you are ), and if you're into drag racing, then the TRE final drive should allow you to stay in 4th gear at the end of your runs, eliminating the need to shift into 5th.

l8r)