i dont see why anyone hasnt realized this, but like when people say "its still just a neon" well a lancer evo is "still just a lancer" and an STi is "still just an impreza" so thats all bull**** to begin with because its being hipocritical...

but the srt-4 is still front wheel drive which gives it a big disadvantage in my opinion

 

well..... the srt-4 is still a neon because.... it still looks like one..... everything is the same except for new front/ rear bumpers , wing, seats, etc...
its STILL.... front wheel drive, no lsd, same crappy interior, same body style, etc
Evo is NOT still a lancer because.... it looks nothing like the lancer... everything is different starting with headlights, front/rear bumpers, doors, fenders, hood, engine, suspension, seats, all wheel drive, 2 LSDs, etc.... theres nothing dat saids its still just a lancer....

 

i agree with you on the lancer-not-even-close-to-being-an-evo part, but it is true... they both carry the name whether you like it or not

haha my friends just always give me **** about the evo still being a lancer though... theyre jealous

 

srt's are under yet overrated at the sametime.....
i was at the drag strip and saw srt-4's run nothing but high 14's all night (mostly 14.7) while i was running 13.3 with just an intake in my evo....
altho if driven better it could get down to the low 14's it would be very hard to launch a FWD w/ turbo dat has no LSD which is useless when trying to put power to the ground...

 

I mean really....who cares that much about goin in a straight line?
How much skill does that involve? Pop the clutch and mash the gas?! Come on, you cant even compare a srt 4 to an evo...theyre totally diferent styles of cars.

 

First off we dont' have Evo's here in Canada, so buying an Evo is TOTALLY out of the question. It's SRT-4, STI, WRX essentially. Bother the WRX and STI will cost you $40k and $54k after tax respectively. What 18-25 yr old in Canada has half a 100k to buy a car, much less to soup up with parts that come from the states and cost 1.5 times the price you pay. Second IF the Evo was here it'd probably cost abotu $40 base price, if yours costs $30 base. So ours would be probably $50k after tax. What 18-25 yr old can afford a $50k toy? I'm a VERY fortunate person in terms of the cars I've owned, but even if you add them all up together they still aren't worth $50k

Second you probably saw 03 SRT-4's or really ****TY drivers, because a stock SRT-4 can get you 13.9 if you shift right and get the right traction. Second you are uninformed about the SRT-4 because it comes standard with an SRT-4 for 2004, so you obviously are refering to the slower, less hp, 2003 SRT-4's

Second, with some coilovers and and strut bars, the thing can handle very well I'm sure for a FWD.

 

Well, first off I feel sorry for you that you are in canada... and dats where the real problem is at in terms of money.... however it is not the situation here in the states which I mentioned...

and like I said... 7 out of 10 times you arent going to get 13.9 time slips... its VERY hard to get traction with a FWD belive me sometimes I even spin my wheels and i have all wheel drive...

and as for handling sure you can do some suspension mods but even if you put all the suspension mods available for the srt it'll never handle as good as a STOCK Evo...

 

i doubt it will handle all that well. actually i am surprised at how well our cars handle. i can out handle my buddy's spec-v all day, but when it comes to the straights he wrecks me. keep it in the turns and i win every time, hands down.

 

I never said the SRT-4 will handle AS WELL as an Evo, I said it COULD handle as well or even better than any other FWD car if given the right suspension set-up. The car is a low car to begin with because of its design, adding a considerable drop in the rear, and a slight drop in the front so you have about 1.5 inches between tire and fender would improve it soooo much more. Add a strut bar in the front and rear, use coilovers with an adjustable damper and some sway bars and the thing will handle a limit that most people can't even push there cars to and maintain.

What I find hysterical is Evo and Suby owners RAVE about the handling of there cars, but a very LARGE percentage of them either can't handle an Evo or WRX themselves because they are too inexperienced a driver. They try and push a car to it's limits and balance it between chaos and mayhem and they can't do it, this is clearly evident in all the "I crashed my Evo" posts where you see the thing with no front end, rear end, a distinct "telephone pole/tree" tattoo in the side. It's obvious they push the cars beyond what THEY the drivers are capable of handling and can't appreciate handling characteristics because they drive the car like it's "invincible" because it's AWD and can get you out of trouble better than a RWD or FWD car if you make a mistake.

So complain all day about how much better an Evo can handle than a FWD or RWD car, but when you do that remember that like a very small% of Evo owners actually have the skills to make the car do something a FWD car can't do.

Just because you weave in traffic, and participate in Rallies, Autocross or time attacks on the weekend doesn't make you any better than someone who does the same thing in a FWD car. If you do it as a professional that's one thing, but the learning curve for amateurs is very long and very steep.

Want to prove me wrong? Do controlled figure-8 donuts around cones. If you can do that without spinning out, slowing down and with enough accuracy to almost graze the cone with your nose, then respect, your a better driver than most. But, I guarantee you there are more people that are going to wreck there Evo's taking a turn or curve at too high a speed that there are people going to wreck their SRT-4's doing the same. The reason for this is simple. The "illusion" of stability. You have 4 wheels trying to obtain grip, if all of them grip you can FLY through a corner, but if none of them grip under acceleration, your finished, off into the guardrail or tree. On the other hand, a FWD car you have 2 wheels trying to obtain grip, you obviously can't fly through a turn as fast if everything is optimum, but at the same time if the two driving wheels lose grip......you still have two other wheels, that aren't pulling/pushing the car through the turn, and it's not going to be as difficult to maintain control of the car.

Plain and simple you put the avg. driver in both situations, the AWD car is going to crash and crash hard and the FWD car will probably spin out.

So the next time your pitching a tent in you Evo or WRX or whatever going on about how awesome your car handles remember that you aren't Peter Solberg, you can't drift a car through a hairpin with a Finnish Flick and Peter isn't dumb enough to take a car around a corner past it's handling limits, you on the other hand probably have some great little tricks you learned at autox like donuts or a controlled slid, but that all said and done, your more likely to over-estimate the handling abilities of you and your car because of your perceptions, your feelings of invulnerability because your AWD and you can whoop a SRT-4 in the twisties on the way home. Which is true, but whose more likely to put there car into the ditch? Him who is pushing is car hard, but is more cautious because he knows he can't catch you, or you, who is trying to impress him with your WRC skillz?

Handling means nothing if your not an advanced driver who knows that cars limits and when you can push and when you can't.

 

i'm amazed at how much you people hate on the srt-4 when mistu has a lot to do with it. dodge and mitsu have been in bed together for years and it's only going to increase as time goes on.

I have a quick one for you, name the only 2 cars out right now that have mitsubishi turbos that spin counter clockwise? Evo8 and SRT-4

The interior in the SRT-4 is pretty nice, they are offering 2 different seats for 04 (racing seats and regular seats for the fat people), 04 has a LSD which makes launching a lot easier, 04 has the rear power windows that were missing in 03 (front windows have always been power), and 04 HP and torque numbers are proving to not be corrected as originally thought but rather upped! All this for only $1000 more than the 03 model...

Stop the hate already, the evo has it's place and so does the SRT-4. If i could afford an evo maybe i'd buy one, but chaces are i won't be able to do that for awhile where as a srt-4 is very affordable, very appealing, and that makes it attainable to me.

 

ok we are def. off the topic.... why are u talking about driver's skills? Im just talking about cars ...... just because ppl cant drive doesnt mean the car can't handle....
and no i do not hate the srt-4... in fact i like em...
all i said was for best bang for buck evo is the better "bang" then the SRT-4

 

dont belive me?..... go test drive a evo if it ever comes to canada...

 

i used to own an SRT, and trust me, they pull pretty darn good, In fact even though driving an EVO, I miss mine here and there, when people talk about them. lol

 

i_love_spool, I'd like to see figure 8 donuts done with an SRT.

Anyways, lets please stay on topic guys.

 

First off.... We haven't seen you on the CDN forums in WEEKKKKSSSSS, Dr. Crash and I were just talkin about you at our last meet, how the mod is never around! You missed out my post-***** day where I replied to every thread in the forum....it was a wave of spool replies LMAO

Secondly, for the donuts is backwards ok? lol