I have been in a quandry lately as to how my car (US Evo) compares to my fathers and my brothers cars....
Under normal circumstances determining this would be a quick trip to the drag strip, local dyno, or a nearby race track for a track day.........
The problem lies in the fact that they are in the UK and I am here in the US, my Father owns a Black Evo VII RSII with an Xtreme (formerly Ralliart UK) xt330 package installed. This package is reported to increase the power to 320 fhp and 330ft/lbs of torque, hence the name XT330. He also owns a 96 Subaru 4cam Turbo....( that was not available in the US) that is pretty much stock rated at 208fhp
My brother owns a 2003 "Seat Leon Cupra R" this has a 210 hp Audi TT Turbo engine and is FWD (again not sold in the US) he also owns a Nissan 200sx s14 with the sr20det installed (this car looks the same as the US 240sx but with the sr20det motor) it has been tweeked slightly and is producing approx 250-260 fhp

What is the point to all this info? I hear you ask..
well, my brother decided to devise a simple test that involved selecting the stopwatch feature on your cell phone or digital watch...and driving through 40mph to 100mph using the stopwatch to time between these two points. the temp was approx 70 degrees in both countries, AC was switched off, there where no passengers, and each car had approx 1/2 a tank of gas...this has been done and the results are as follows

US Evo =9.41 seconds
UK Evo =7.71 seconds
UK 200sx = 9.7
Subaru = 11.28
Seat = 10.9

This got me thinking that if members had a bored moment out there and wanted a bit of fun...they could do this simple test and post...I for one would be interested if anyone in a US evo can beat that UK Evo time....

because of the speeds involved this testing was all done on a closed private course with professional drivers....yeah right!

 

Hi,

We did similar testing back in the Honda forums.

0-60 is pretty flawed as a test to compare cars, (gearing dependent, launch differences, racing to speed vs distance, road/atmospheric conditions etc.). However, doing a timed run from one speed to another is more repeatable and takes some of the flaws out.

We were doing 30-50 or 50-70 in 2nd or 3rd gear respectively to take shifting out of the eqn. I like your idea though. I'll try to run my car sometime and report back. Maybe I can run my Dad's C4s for comparison and see how my buddies Z does as well.

Take care,

FB

 

Is the start from 40 done in 2nd or 3rd gear? I also think it would be helpful to list any mods done to the car...

 

Any gear you want....my pull was done in third thru fourth although the engish Evo did the pull starting in second third and fourth...I will have to try this method to see if it will improve on times...as for mods...... Vishnu stage 0 on US car

 

I'm surprised how few responses this thread has got. As a UK driver I think we are much more interested in performance and speed (along with the Kiwis, the Aussies and the Japs) than US drivers.

My Evo VII time is 7.7-7.8 secs by the way.

I noticed on another thread that some were bemoaning the fact that the glove box doesn't lock and there is no cruise control, so just to be provocative I'll suggest there might also be some over your side of the pond who get mad when the coke splashes over in the cup holder because of the hard suspension, or you can't hear the CD playing over the roar of the engine on full boost.

Then again, maybe there ARE those who really get a buzz from their new steeds lightening performance! So let's hear your times. PLEASE.

 

Cruise Control on an Evo??? HAHAHAHAHA

If someone can tell me exactly how much km/h
are 40-100 mp/h i'll give it a try too...

 

defector thats not true in from puerto rico but live in the states and i could care less about a cup holder or left turn racing.

 

TwinBeat that's about 65-160kph. You'll probably find it best to start in 2nd gear, but 3rd is also possible. See which is best for you. Let us know, that would be very interesting! Thanks.

 

Was messing around a little today...

70 degrees
40-100 in 3 to 4th gear
10.25 secs

Car Stock (except for boost gauge)

 

I'm assuming someone is with you time? two people in the car? or what are you using to measure this?

 

I used a stopwatch and was by myself. Held the stopwatch in my left hand...I cruised at 40 for a couple of seconds in 3rd gear..clicked the stop watch and mashed on the pedal at the same time and clicked the stop watch off at 100

 

Sorry, but wouldn't your times be a lot better if you started in 2nd gear. That is probably why your dads time was dramatically better (though I'm sure the 320 hp doesn't hurt).

~Nape

 

There is obviously a good margin of error here but it sounded like fun so I gave it a try. Oddly enough my times where very similar, BTW starting in 2nd gear is definitely faster.
I couldn't remember if you started at 40 or went through it, so I tried it both ways. It was actually 80F/70% humid and a full tank but... My mods are a 3" turbo back with high flow cat, K&N stock filter, type-s DV, and an EBC 19-18 PSI (no fuel/ign tuning yet).
FWIW 255 WHP on an AWD Dyno Jet (about 30WHP more than stock).
Left hand stopwatch method.

Starting at 40MPH 2nd gear hitting the accelerator and stop watch simultaneously two runs showed 9.7 and 9.6 sec. Running through 40MPH I got 9.4 sec. Starting at 40MPH in 3rd gear 10.2 sec.

Ok so what exactly is different with this VII? Lighter weight? More power, different gearing? All of the above? What kind of 1/4-mile ET trap speeds? The EVO VII testing I have seen only showed it to be slightly faster, of course they did not have this XT330 modification (what does it entail?)
I did some roll on racing with another EVO with similar mods plus an AFC and 264 cams, he put about 4-5 car lengths on me going from around 40 to 100, so that may be comparable to your Dad's car.

 

Margin of error...what margin of error?? Doesn't everyone have the same stopwatch clicking abilities?!?

I think its a pretty cool little test that can show various ranges..

I would like to see what other Stock Evos do...

 

I'm actually Limey's father in the UK. Thanks for those timings, they do look consistent. Mine were measured using a hand held stop watch, starting from about 20mph in 2nd, through 40mph (start watch),to the red line, then 3rd and 4th. The temperature was about 60F which helps. Weight is shown as 3036lbs for the VII, RSII.

2nd gear ratio 1.95, 3rd 1.407 and 4th 1.031. The fuel was a full tank Shell Optimax - UK rating 98.6 octane. (Does that equate to around 96 octane US?) My model has AYC and ACD.

The main thing I can see from the dyno runs that Shiv posted for the shoot out/tuning session on 5/24/03 for the US Evo8 is that the power curve starts to drop off around 6000 - 6500rpm, whereas mine seems to continue pulling hard up to 7500 or more. It may be that the US A/F ratios are set much safer.

I will have it rolling roaded next Wednesday at G-Force in the UK, so I will post the power/Torque/AF figures then.

Incidentally, they use a Dyno Dynamics road.