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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 02:28 PM
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Re: FWD?

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Jeff, have you ever looked into getting an LSD, or maybe just keep a set of drag slicks on a an old set of wheels to swap to on the track? The second solution seems like more of a band aid approach, but still something to look into.

To answer your questions... yes and yes.

My car is already equipped with a Quaife LSD and slicks. I use the Mickey Thompson 22x8x15 size. I know that they are way too small in diameter, which hurts my launches. For a FWD to get sub 2.0 launches is pretty respectable, but nothing when you compare it to a stock WRX with stock tires running 1.8 sec 60ft. I'm looking for some M&H Slicks in the 25x8x15 size. A .2 sec quicker 60ft time will decrease the 1/4 mile time by more than .4 seconds because the faster you get going in the beginning, the faster you will be at the end.

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 02:36 PM
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There's a place in Vegas called Silverstate Motorsports that do a lot of work on Fords. They took a look at the stock set-up and decided that a turbo application made much more sense, so they're doing just that.
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I'm familiar with that shop. I believe Steve Arnet owns that place. And yes, a turbo set-up makes much more sense in any car rather than a supercharged set up. I remember what he told me one day when I was at his shop. He said there was this guy arguing about how much better a supercharger was than a turbo kit because of all the lag that the turbo produced. Steve told the guy to use his supercharger and watch as he lagged behind him in a drag race.

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 04:33 PM
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I did some research and you are right about the Lightning being equipped with a 5.4L supercharged engine. He had an open exhaust and a nitrous system that allowed him to stay with me for half the race. Remember that this run was made in the high desert in Nevada. The hot, high altitude air does not favor supercharged or turbo charged motors. I believe that he has more room for improvement and can probably be in the 12s once winter comes around. That does not mean I'll be seeing any tail lights.

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I'm not completely through with my motor yet.
Maybe not that guy, but over here I think the guy's name is JJ and he runs 12s with his DUBs on. With slicks he runs 10s I believe. I'll ask my friend what he has on it.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 04:39 PM
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I'm familiar with that shop. I believe Steve Arnet owns that place. And yes, a turbo set-up makes much more sense in any car rather than a supercharged set up. I remember what he told me one day when I was at his shop. He said there was this guy arguing about how much better a supercharger was than a turbo kit because of all the lag that the turbo produced. Steve told the guy to use his supercharger and watch as he lagged behind him in a drag race.

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Maybe a normal supercharger. Slap a real one on there and I think it would be a different story. I prefer Staged Nitrous myself.
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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 07:00 AM
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No one mentioned that the Lightning weighs over 4000 lbs. That's one FAST pig.
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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 08:03 AM
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Allright Jeff. JJ runs 12.44 at 110MPH.
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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 01:20 PM
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The difference between running in the 10s and a 12.44 is day and night. I think 10s are far out of reach until you do some serious chassis modifications.

I will give tons of credit to anyone that can make a truck run deep in the 12s. It deserves huge respect when a truck smokes a Ferarri, 911, Viper or anything else he will find on the street. I am a huge fan of anything that has some serious *****. I love the low end torque the V8s get, but I also love the fact that my 12 second brawler can still get more than 25 miles per gallon.

Remember what I said about the altitude and heat in Las Vegas. That Lightning ran 13.4 which would probably translate to a 12.9 if it was a sea level track with cooler temps.

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Old Jul 11, 2002 | 10:53 PM
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True. I couldn't tell you about that though I have an idea of where this guy races but taking an Aerodynamic brick and moving it that fast is seriously something I agree with you much there. You're not doing bad either in that FWD GST suprised you didn't go GSX though. Like I said though I believe that time is with dubs on. I mean running a 12.4 with 20s is some ****.
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 12:24 AM
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Even if that lightning would have beat him which it didnt, its a 4 clyinder turbo VS a V8 supercharged. just think if they put even a V6 turob in an eclipse, that thing would be crazy. And why ford is wasting time makeing a freakin truck fast is beyond me. Maybe they should look at the mustang or the focus and spend some more time on them. Either way FORD SUCKS!!!!!
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 12:29 AM
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turbo 6 banger . . . might as well look at the 3g GT. Someone may have done it. It's based of the engine block (6g72) - 3000GT VR4.
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by LancerEvoVlll
Even if that lightning would have beat him which it didnt, its a 4 clyinder turbo VS a V8 supercharged. just think if they put even a V6 turob in an eclipse, that thing would be crazy. And why ford is wasting time makeing a freakin truck fast is beyond me. Maybe they should look at the mustang or the focus and spend some more time on them. Either way FORD SUCKS!!!!!
LoL. You don't know much do you? Thew new SVT Cobra will be almost as fast as the Corvette. The SVT Focus is argueably the best Compact car being sold by dealers in the US right now. Pricewise it is most definitely the best. As for why would you make a truck fast...well hey in the world of excess its always a question of WHY NOT?? not HOW COME.
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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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Like I said though I believe that time is with dubs on. I mean running a 12.4 with 20s is some ****.
I do not think it is possible that the run was made on the 20s. You claim the run was a 12.4 @ 110MPH. That is totally believable.
But I believe there were some slicks in the back.

The fact that the trap speed was at only 110 MPH, signifies that there was a tremendous launch. Compare my timeslip that has a trap speed of 110MPH. I used slicks to get a 1.98 sec 60ft time, which is very respectable launch, but I only ran a 13.0 @ 110. For the Lightning to run a 110 MPH trap speed and ET of 12.4, the 60ft launch must have been in the 1.7s. A 1.7 60ft launch is not possible with 20 inch rim street tires, unless it is a lightweight AWD car like an EVO.

Check this website out.
http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html

It has not been updated for a while, but you can see how you can compare times, MPH and launches of the AWD. The launch is so important to a drag racer. An AWD can get in the 12s with a 100MPH trap speed, while it took me 110MPH to get there.

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Old Jul 12, 2002 | 11:35 AM
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Indeed that time is with slicks
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Old Jul 14, 2002 | 03:25 AM
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Dub-slicks?

Indeed that time is with slicks
Let me guess, he had his stock wheels on in back with the slicks on. and then the dubs up front. Or are there such things as 20" slicks? He could have had bicycle wheels on up front, it would make more difference as to what the drive wheels were wearing, right?
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 07:09 AM
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racing is all about who has what mods.. a bone stock lightning will run mid 13's all day between 101-103mph. thats bone stock, no mods.. they also run 8psi stock. by simply increasing boost from 8-12 and tuning the fuel accordingly most guys are running between 12.6-12.8's all day long..

i know this is an old post, but i ran a search since im a lightning owner myself.. and really, when it comes to a 4cyl turbo beating a 4700lb truck its nothing to be suprised about.. anything can be made fast. you can make a golf cart fast if you want, but it doesnt mean its cool.
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