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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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05+ launching with out the 2step

Who has a 05+ evo launching without using the 2step? I decided to make mine 9000rpm today so it would pretty much deactivate it. Did a couple of launches using just the throttle and it seams like im getting out of the hole faster. Anybody trying this? Or is everybody just sticking to the 2-step?
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:37 AM
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i see what you are saying.. i have heard form a lot of peps that just launching around 4500rpm works better than the 2step. i just havent tried because im so use to using the 2step... go to a track and see what kind of 60foot times you do...
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Yea im going to the track on friday, see what i can do with and with out the limiter.
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Old May 30, 2007 | 12:40 PM
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Um, until recently, there was no 2-step to use, so everyone who bought an Evo before then had to launch without launch control unless they had a standalone ECU or something. That's nothing new - what's new is being able to launch more easily with launch control.

I can do it both ways about equally, although using the launch control helps me consistently launch from the same rpm instead of it fluctuating.

2muchboost - the "lot of peps" that told you launching from 4500rpms were dead wrong. Anything below 5k rpm on the Evo is a clutch killer.

PS. 05+ is not relevant. All years can use or not use the 2-step depending on preference.
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Old May 30, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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woops, i had no idea that 4500 rpm would mess up the clutch. sorry. thanks for the info warrtalon.
Like i said ive never done it like that but i know a lot of people who can pull 1.6 60 times at the track launching at 4500 (im sure when they acctually launch its between 4500 and 5000rpm since it moves around a lot)
but i guess they are killing there clutchs! a buddy of mine is doing it with the act extreme, well see how long his holds..
i find it a million times easier to use the 2step at 5200 rpms. like warrtalon says its consistent! good luck with your launch! let us know how you do..



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Um, until recently, there was no 2-step to use, so everyone who bought an Evo before then had to launch without launch control unless they had a standalone ECU or something. That's nothing new - what's new is being able to launch more easily with launch control.

I can do it both ways about equally, although using the launch control helps me consistently launch from the same rpm instead of it fluctuating.

2muchboost - the "lot of peps" that told you launching from 4500rpms were dead wrong. Anything below 5k rpm on the Evo is a clutch killer.

PS. 05+ is not relevant. All years can use or not use the 2-step depending on preference.
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Old May 30, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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I'm sorry, but I do not believe you know a lot of people who pull 1.6 60's in an Evo from 4500rpm. I would be surprised if you even knew _1_ person. 4500rpm doesn't work, because the rpms are too low to build any boost and get moving. You will immediately bog if you do a quickslip, so that means you have do a long slip, which is 1) not going to get you a 1.6 60', and 2) going to burn the hell out of the clutch.

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Old May 30, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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Well, last year i was at the track with some evo owners. (7of them) they werent my best friends but i knew them. They would go to the track every week. and i was talking to them on how they luanch the car. they all told me they held the rpms at around 4500 rpm and slipped the clutch. they said they were getting better results this way. I watched them run and then saw the slips. all of them were under 1.8 60foot and 2 of them were at 1.6xx.
now i wasnt in the car with them so i dont know if thats what they really did, and i was to far to hear if he got on the 2step. but thats what i saw..
they were all modded. the two that did 1.6xx were on race gas with 27psi and bolt ons. and i think one had an act extreme clutch.
many other evo owners have told me that holding at around 4500 and slipping launches better, but i agree with you. ive tried holding it at 4500 and it bogs unless i slip the hell out of it.
like i said.. i know i cant launch at 4500rpm but i know the 2step works great for me.


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I'm sorry, but I do not believe you know a lot of people who pull 1.6 60's in an Evo. I would be surprised if you even knew _1_ person. 4500rpm doesn't work, because the rpms are too low to build any boost and get moving. You will immediately bog if you do a quickslip, so that means you have do a long slip, which is 1) not going to get you a 1.6 60', and 2) going to burn the hell out of the clutch.
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Old May 30, 2007 | 03:58 PM
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"Anything below 5k rpm on the Evo is a clutch killer" ..

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Old May 30, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by budlong
"Anything below 5k rpm on the Evo is a clutch killer" ..

i didnt know that either? thats why i stick to the two step!
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Old May 30, 2007 | 04:32 PM
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wouldn't have implied the 2 step at 5k if that was too high. I do agree that that is the bear minimum to launch at.
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Old May 30, 2007 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2muchboost
many other evo owners have told me that holding at around 4500 and slipping launches better, but i agree with you. ive tried holding it at 4500 and it bogs unless i slip the hell out of it.
like i said.. i know i cant launch at 4500rpm but i know the 2step works great for me.
Well, that's the thing. Who are these "many other evo owners" telling you this? No one here in a 40,000+ community will tell you that, so I have a hard time understanding where this group of "many other evo owners" comes from. It simply does not work from 4500.
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Old May 30, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Well, that's the thing. Who are these "many other evo owners" telling you this? No one here in a 40,000+ community will tell you that, so I have a hard time understanding where this group of "many other evo owners" comes from. It simply does not work from 4500.
good point.. i totally agree with you and respect your word.. thats why i wanted this guy to try it and post his results.. but if thats kills the clutch then just stick to the two step!
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Old May 30, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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hey guys i don't have the launch assist on my 03 VIII, but i would like to know what this 2 step launching is about? can someone please tell me wha texactly it is?
oh and also why do some people (or all people) say that launching under 4500 is a clucth killer wouldn't it be over 4500? and why?
i've only had my car for a month and a week now so i don't really know to much so go easy on my haha. p.s. especially you warrtalon (jk)
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Old May 30, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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Under 4500 and your car will bog down BADLY, to even launch at that rpm you would have to slip the clutch agressively. That will wear/burn/SACRIFICE your clutch..simple...
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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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I agree while you can get some good launches from 4500, I have done so with my 03 before I had it flashed, you have to hold it for a few seconds other you will bog badly and when I took out my ACT HD and put in my Exedy twin there was some serious marks on that clutch from those launches. BTW a two step is a launch control which allows you to hold around a certain RPM mines is set to 5700. So you can just put the pedal down and with clutch engaged it will hold around this RPM.

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