I'm pretty sold on a flash... only problem though, I really want one that will both fix the intake idle problem, but also my ssq vta is doin the rich bog after shifts, can this be fixed through a mail in flash or do I need a custom tune or what?

 

You need to ditch the VTA.. The bog is not a tune problem, its a preference problem..

Terry (not trying to be an a$$) S

 

yeah, i have my ssqv recirculated. it still sounds pretty cool. It has the (chu chu chu) sound. kinda like what I'm use to hearing on a supra. I also have an intake with an open filter so it's makes the recirculation a little louder. I ocassionally get the little pig rich stumble at idle but I don't have any problems between shifts. The sounds of vta wasn't worth all the problems IMO..

-Chad-

 

100% correct

VTA is for posers - it will never work well on a MAF sensor equiped car

 

that hurt... it wasnt a question of whether you liked my tastes, it was a question of your product's abilities... Thanks for the input though from now a somewhat less likely customer...

 

It's an honest answer. All you are doing with a VTA BOV is trying to get attention. It will never improve the car (as long as you have a MAF) and will only hurt your performance; thus the bogging. With an intake the stock BOV will get people to turn heads anyway.

Good luck finding a flash that will eliminate your issue though. I'm fairly certain one doesn't exist.

 

yes, honest. but neccessary? anyways, I know what the vta is doint to my car and as I have posted before, at this point it is worth it to me. I currently own the fastest car in my tri city area, which is okay for me right now, yes If I want to go to some competition, I will likely get a recirc kit, but for now I only had a simple question, not a poll on my preferences. But thank you all for telling me what I can already feel is happening to my car. (unless you have some helpfull information such as how this might actually hurt my car in the long run... that might be useful and appreciated. thank you saintjab for at least adding that bit of courtesy. This may be a discussion board, but we're still all indiviual people on the other side of the screen.

 

vta creates overly rich conditions when you shift as metered air is released into the air for which the ecu is supplying fuel. This overly rich condition can lead to fouling of your spark plugs and wash down of oil protecting your cyl bores.

Its simply my opinion that VTA Bov's are totally useless devices which do not add ANY performance advantage to a evo. In fact they make the evo operate WORSE and you will go slower betweeen shifts.

IMHO the target users for VTA Bov's are those who seek a vain "sound" that is "cool" emitting from their car as they drive around - mostly to show off. Also - a lot of these guys are people with a $100 mod budget and wanting to install something quick and easy without knowing the results

The answers I post here are my opinions and posted for the benefit of my current customers in the hope that most of them will avoid VTA bov's at any cost

BTW - just for the record - my 667 whp 10.59 sec evo still has a Forge re-circ bov (re-circ is hardly a performance handicap - in fact IMHO - the discharge of air into the turbo inlet between shifts helps spool the turbo slightly faster)

Sorry you do not care for my opinions. I am sure there are other tuners out there who have greater respect and deference to VTA bov's

 

yes, thank you for that, and I do get what happens to the car as a result of vta, though you did bring to mind something that I had forgotten about which was that rich conditions contribute to oil wash down... ..that.. was helpful. Otherwise there is nothing hard to understand or cope with about your or anyone else's position on the vta. Your right, all of those things are true, but simply I will say it again, it is not that I didnt "like" your answer, it is that your answer was an aside to my question. Your point that you wish none of your customers to use vta, though, had to be made by calling those with it (me) posers? If I find balance in perfomance and style that is not even the issue. If this were simply a performance question, such as "what is more benificial to my car's performance, vta or recirc?" then you are very likely the person I would go to. I respect your expertise and vision for performance, but it was not a matter of what you would have me do if my car were yours. Like I said, I only asked what your product could do, not what you evaluate me to be based on my tastes.
Dont take me wrong, when I want style I'll go to someone else, when I want performance (after much research I've found that) I will come to you because you have proven yourself to be an innovative mind in such things. Thank you all for your input, and God bless you all.

 

It reminds me of an Italian restaurant that i once went to where the Chef and owner wound up taking away my plate and showing me the door becuase I insisted on putting parmasian cheese on my plate of line caught red snapper and pasta he had cooked. He warned me that the cheese would spoil the wonderful fish - but I as the paying customer did not care. The guy was so hard core and radical that he yelled at me - took the plate off the table and suggested I leave - of course no charge.

Anyway - I am not at the pointg yet where I am refusing to tune evos with VTA Bov's - I still work on them every day. I just wonder why and how the owners can put up with the puff of black smoke between shifts and the idel and stalling issues?

BTW - a unit which we have seen - the Tubro Smart Dual Port BOV seems to offer a compromise with part venting and part re-circulating - although its a very pricey unit

Sadly - as the release of most bov's is not consistant and even between shifts on various gears we have not yet been able to get a tune which deals with the VTA bov's

On some INDIVIDUAL cars we have been able to minimize the condition through tuning

I find it crazy that that POS HKS BOV even has some people buying seperate idel stablizing boxes fgrom HKS to deal with the BOV issues

I may just be crazy - but I am only interested in things which make the car go very fast

Luckily for me the AMS GT35R kit I use has a sound which comes along with the 667 whp which can certainly grab as much attention as anyone would require - in fact i wish i could reduce the sounds

 

Funny...how much did it cost you for your custom paintjob? Didn't add any horsepower, even if it makes your Evo look awesome.

I think this is the thing people don't understand about VTA BOV. You said that people who have them are posers because they want to get attention. Wouldn't you agree that a fancy paintjob serves the same exact purpose? You can't even see it from the cabin, so what's the point, right?

The point is YOU like it. The point is that honki24 LIKES the sound of a VTA BOV. I don't think that makes either of you two posers. I completely understand your point on the VTA making the evo run poorer, but it's a tradeoff. Some people value that, others don't. Just like some people strip their interiors out for maximum performance, and other sacrifice the slight gains for looks.

 

Good point!

To each his own!

I just really - REALLY like that MR metal valve - whata great unit that is - and - when you have an intake you get most of that blowing off sound

 

awsome resolve. bra-vo, thank your orion and everyone else... now that all the issues are solved and my question answered.... guess the thread is dead.