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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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Hello Al you Flashed me in November

I was your first appointment in the morning in Indiana. I have two questions. 1.) your tune seems to control boost above and beyond my HKS EVC. if i turn the EVC down the boost is still up. is that to be expected? when you tuned my car it was somthing like 11 degrees outside. nice clean dense air. you tuned EVC at the setting of 70. can i back this off if i dont like the peaks at 23.whatever? 2.) i talk to people and they tell me i need I.c. piping, catch can, t clamps, oh my car is faster because its an MR, big intercooler ya ya ya. i really was impressed by your professionalism, and you reALLY KNOW YOUR STUFF. my question is i want a reliable 11 seconnd car, driven 20k a year with a full understanding i will break stuff here and there. this is what i got. Helix intake, Helix down pipe, HKS TBE, Short throw, HKS EVC, Dynoflah cusom tune, can you tell me what would be a good next step to get me where i want to be? if not no biggy, but i am tired of people telling me my car is slow because i donty have IC piping and an AFC (thats what i hired you for) and a big I.C.. do i need this, or can i spank them with somthing more substantial?
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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If people are saying you are slow and that you need IC piping, upgraded FMIC, and an S-AFC, then they are completely clueless. For someone who is flashed, that is pretty dumb to tell you to get an S-AFC. The IC pipes aren't helpful, and you can't make full use of an upgraded FMIC without a larger turbo. Sounds to me like you are being advised by DSM guys where these mods were extremely important for us. We had a tiny sidemount IC, crappy stock IC hoses, and no flashes available for the ECU.

To make your car an 11-sec daily driver, you are going to need cams and alky. You are nowhere near 11s at the moment. With mods equivalent to yours, I have managed to hit 12.26 on pump gas, but most people aren't able to reproduce it. You could if you matched my driving, so there's a baseline for you to use. On race gas, I have gone 12.000, but no 11s yet. For you to do it on pump gas, you need at least cams and probably a few more things along with GREAT driving. To accomplish it on a regular basis with good driving, you'll need cams and alky unless you don't mind using race gas.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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have you gone to the track, what did you ran?
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by newimportowner
I was your first appointment in the morning in Indiana. I have two questions. 1.) your tune seems to control boost above and beyond my HKS EVC. if i turn the EVC down the boost is still up. is that to be expected? when you tuned my car it was somthing like 11 degrees outside. nice clean dense air. you tuned EVC at the setting of 70. can i back this off if i dont like the peaks at 23.whatever? 2.) i talk to people and they tell me i need I.c. piping, catch can, t clamps, oh my car is faster because its an MR, big intercooler ya ya ya. i really was impressed by your professionalism, and you reALLY KNOW YOUR STUFF. my question is i want a reliable 11 seconnd car, driven 20k a year with a full understanding i will break stuff here and there. this is what i got. Helix intake, Helix down pipe, HKS TBE, Short throw, HKS EVC, Dynoflah cusom tune, can you tell me what would be a good next step to get me where i want to be? if not no biggy, but i am tired of people telling me my car is slow because i donty have IC piping and an AFC (thats what i hired you for) and a big I.C.. do i need this, or can i spank them with somthing more substantial?
thanks for the kind words man

As for your EVC - check it man - with it turned OFF you should be on 100% wastgate pressure (low boost) - if not it may not be installed properly and or it may be broken

The flash does not have ANY effect on boost when you have EVC

For your next mod I suggest cams

Check out some of the parts they have in the Buschur Stage III kit at www.buschurracing.com
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
If people are saying you are slow and that you need IC piping, upgraded FMIC, and an S-AFC, then they are completely clueless. For someone who is flashed, that is pretty dumb to tell you to get an S-AFC. The IC pipes aren't helpful, and you can't make full use of an upgraded FMIC without a larger turbo. Sounds to me like you are being advised by DSM guys where these mods were extremely important for us. We had a tiny sidemount IC, crappy stock IC hoses, and no flashes available for the ECU.

To make your car an 11-sec daily driver, you are going to need cams and alky. You are nowhere near 11s at the moment. With mods equivalent to yours, I have managed to hit 12.26 on pump gas, but most people aren't able to reproduce it. You could if you matched my driving, so there's a baseline for you to use. On race gas, I have gone 12.000, but no 11s yet. For you to do it on pump gas, you need at least cams and probably a few more things along with GREAT driving. To accomplish it on a regular basis with good driving, you'll need cams and alky unless you don't mind using race gas.
Ditto!
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by newimportowner
i talk to people and they tell me i need I.c. piping, catch can, t clamps, oh my car is faster because its
WTF.... catch can and ic piping???? you dont need upper ic or a catch can to run 11s...ive ran 11s on stock 03 turbo with stock upper ic pipes..... ive even hit exactly 450whp on stock upper ic piping on pump gas....

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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:02 AM
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I've had my car since October 2003 and I just got upper IC piping two days ago. Lower piping is worth buying but that other crap you don't need.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fellowx
have you gone to the track, what did you ran?

havent had a chance yet as all the local tracks are closed due to winter. the car is quicker than my Impala, i can tell that and my Imp will run a 12.88@110 on NOS. cant wait for spring.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by newimportowner
havent had a chance yet as all the local tracks are closed due to winter. the car is quicker than my Impala, i can tell that and my Imp will run a 12.88@110 on NOS. cant wait for spring.

12.8@110?? you spray at the launch ??
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rollaway
12.8@110?? you spray at the launch ??
If I can. I run a 175 shot with the Impala, some days i can hook and others not. I do run on street tires too. the car is quite fast at the long end of the track. It was funny the first time i broke into the 12's, i didnt have a helmet with me, and i got B*tched at and told to get a helmet . the said it was because of the speed not th e ET. the car is a 2 ton brick, but once its rollin, it flies.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
The IC pipes aren't helpful, and you can't make full use of an upgraded FMIC without a larger turbo. Sounds to me like you are being advised by DSM guys where these mods were extremely important for us. We had a tiny sidemount IC, crappy stock IC hoses, and no flashes available for the ECU.
Have you checked under the hood lately? Although better than the DSMs, we have woven IC couplings and many bends. You are saying that you won't gain anything by replacing these with better flowing units? If so, why should anyone go for TBE for that matter?

I agree with you that the IC piping mod shouldn't be done at the moment as he has yet to do cams (much more bang for the buck).

Who ever told you to get SAFC + oil catch can should be shot.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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thanks for the info guys.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:53 AM
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Back in the day when I was a newbie Evo owner I purchased the RMR fmic pipe kit for just over $700

while it looked good - it made zero difference at the track or on the dyno compared to stock

I find that there are marginal gains from fmic pipes

I like the Buschur fmic pipe set up as it has the bov - intake and pipes with nmini battery all in one attractive and inexpensive package
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by QAT-R
Have you checked under the hood lately? Although better than the DSMs, we have woven IC couplings and many bends. You are saying that you won't gain anything by replacing these with better flowing units? If so, why should anyone go for TBE for that matter?
Yes, I have, and although it may be counterintuitive, the stock UICP is not that bad. It's nowhere near as much of a restriction as it was on the DSMs I owned. There is negligible gain with UICP, so the cost is definitely not worth it.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Back in the day when I was a newbie Evo owner I purchased the RMR fmic pipe kit for just over $700

while it looked good - it made zero difference at the track or on the dyno compared to stock

I find that there are marginal gains from fmic pipes

I like the Buschur fmic pipe set up as it has the bov - intake and pipes with nmini battery all in one attractive and inexpensive package
how well do those batteries work. how about in winter?
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